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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by houdini1
Jul 08, 2009 (6:21 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 08, 2009 6:02 pm)

Yes, especially since our country will be completely bankrupt by then unless some very drastic changes are made in our policies and leadership.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by ruking1
Jul 08, 2009 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 08, 2009 6:02 pm)

..."As the Chinese motor vehicle fleet grows we can expect the CO2 contribution to increase, however, the increasing number of coal power plants and cement plants will likely exceed the amount generated by vehicles. "...
 
And TOTALLY allowed and approved by the Kyoto protocols, not signed by the US under the GWB administration.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by gagrice
Jul 08, 2009 (8:49 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 08, 2009 6:02 pm)

From your link. That is hardly a consensus that GW caused by man is a done deal. We still do not know for sure where the majority of GHG comes from. Is it the melting ice in the tundra allowing methane gas to escape? If those that are pushing legislation were truly interested in the facts, they may get some of us skeptics to be on their side.
 
"This study tells us that CO2 was not the main trigger, though our data continues to suggest that greenhouse gases and global climate are intimately linked."
 
How can anyone believe that the whole GW/CC business is anything but a money grab by people like Al Gore? Calling those that do not buy into his scam, Nazis.
 
Glad to see that old Byrd calling the Cap n Trade what it really is today. The House will be lucky if half the Democrat Senators buy into their huge tax and spend scheme.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (10:10 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 08, 2009 8:49 pm)

Gee, you mean Byrd went to bat for his constituents?
 
Those being Big Coal...
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 09, 2009 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 08, 2009 10:10 pm)

That was the thrust of his argument. Coal is plentiful and very reliable. Unlike Solar and Wind that is far less than a reliable source of energy 24/7. Our coal generators are fairly clean. Trying to create a perfect environment in an imperfect World will only create Chaos. India, China and a host of other emerging countries are not going to cut back on GHG to please a few zealots. We need to just do the best we can with what we have.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 4:56 am)

Yes, China and North Korea put so called "zealots" in people's LABOR camps !!!! The scuttle butt is 50% survive the first year of "LABOR". North Korea is trying to do that now with those two journalists in the employ of AL GORE's business empire !!?? Seems they were merely convicted of doing a 60 minutes spin off expose'.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 09, 2009 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 4:56 am)

lol, throwing clean coal into the wash eh?
 
Byrd may be having a bit of a change of heart in his old age. Too many of his constituents are at risk of getting flooded out from all the mountaintop scraping with the overburden filling in the creeks and valleys.
 
But yeah, India and China are still too poor to be able to afford to be greener, and why should they cut back when the West won't?
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by larsb
Jul 09, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 4:56 am)

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Coal=plentiful, reliable, and awfully polluting.
 
Wind=plentiful, reliable (in places) and minimally polluting (mostly from manufacture of equipment)
 
Solar=plentiful (in places), 100% reliable (sun is always shining somewhere), and minimally polluting (mostly from manufacture of equipment)
 
Number of carcinogens released from burning coal: up to 15
Number of carcinogens released by a block of solar panels: Zero
Number of carcinogens released by a wind turbine farm: Zero
 
So you see the coal problem?
 
The sooner we eliminate coal as a source for electricity generation, the better.
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Re: More evidence [larsb] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 09, 2009 7:17 am)

The whole point here is the Kyoto Accord allows for ANY amount of coal burning for those countries so named.
 
So for example, when CHINA builds ONE coal buring plant and there are already literally hundreds if not thousands built and many more planned: a plant lasts between 30-60 years between major upgrading.
 
Here is one in Morocco for 1.5 BILLION (2001) link title
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Re: More evidence [ruking1] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 09, 2009 7:29 am)

Kyoto Accord: Coal fired power plant building LOLLAPALOOZA !!
 
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