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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: Even the Environmentalists think .... [steve_] by ruking1
Jul 08, 2009 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 08, 2009 1:01 pm)

It is very easy to explain... NIMBY. So they fight over years before where it would be "politically" feasible to put it (out in the middle of no where). Then when it comes more to the fruition or study phase..claim its too far (600 miles) . This crap is almost entertaining to watch !!
 
Notice that even Google (anybody ever heard of Google? ) which is headquartered in Mountain View, CA (near Santa Clara, CA) does NOT have MOST of its "server farms" in CA !!??
 
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Re: Even the Environmentalists think .... [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 08, 2009 1:13 pm)

Server farms are spread all over the place.
 
Google burns a lot of power, so, as wiki says, one place they put them is in Oregon to take advantage of inexpensive hydroelectric power. Follow the money.
 
Part of the complaint about getting that renewable power to the California cities is the cost.
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More evidence by avalon02wh
Jul 08, 2009 (6:02 pm)
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"Carbon Dioxide Higher Today Than Last 2.1 Million Years"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090618143950.htm
 
We are heading into uncharted territory.
 
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/china-parc-20090705.html#more
 
As the Chinese motor vehicle fleet grows we can expect the CO2 contribution to increase, however, the increasing number of coal power plants and cement plants will likely exceed the amount generated by vehicles.
 
The increase in vehicles is truly staggering. In another 5 to 10 years they will exceed the U.S. When that happens we will need to continue the discussion on a Chinese forum, assuming of course, that you can actual discuss this issue without censorship.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by houdini1
Jul 08, 2009 (6:21 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 08, 2009 6:02 pm)

Yes, especially since our country will be completely bankrupt by then unless some very drastic changes are made in our policies and leadership.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by ruking1
Jul 08, 2009 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 08, 2009 6:02 pm)

..."As the Chinese motor vehicle fleet grows we can expect the CO2 contribution to increase, however, the increasing number of coal power plants and cement plants will likely exceed the amount generated by vehicles. "...
 
And TOTALLY allowed and approved by the Kyoto protocols, not signed by the US under the GWB administration.
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Re: More evidence [avalon02wh] by gagrice
Jul 08, 2009 (8:49 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jul 08, 2009 6:02 pm)

From your link. That is hardly a consensus that GW caused by man is a done deal. We still do not know for sure where the majority of GHG comes from. Is it the melting ice in the tundra allowing methane gas to escape? If those that are pushing legislation were truly interested in the facts, they may get some of us skeptics to be on their side.
 
"This study tells us that CO2 was not the main trigger, though our data continues to suggest that greenhouse gases and global climate are intimately linked."
 
How can anyone believe that the whole GW/CC business is anything but a money grab by people like Al Gore? Calling those that do not buy into his scam, Nazis.
 
Glad to see that old Byrd calling the Cap n Trade what it really is today. The House will be lucky if half the Democrat Senators buy into their huge tax and spend scheme.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (10:10 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 08, 2009 8:49 pm)

Gee, you mean Byrd went to bat for his constituents?
 
Those being Big Coal...
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Re: More evidence [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 09, 2009 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 08, 2009 10:10 pm)

That was the thrust of his argument. Coal is plentiful and very reliable. Unlike Solar and Wind that is far less than a reliable source of energy 24/7. Our coal generators are fairly clean. Trying to create a perfect environment in an imperfect World will only create Chaos. India, China and a host of other emerging countries are not going to cut back on GHG to please a few zealots. We need to just do the best we can with what we have.
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Re: More evidence [gagrice] by ruking1
Jul 09, 2009 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 4:56 am)

Yes, China and North Korea put so called "zealots" in people's LABOR camps !!!! The scuttle butt is 50% survive the first year of "LABOR". North Korea is trying to do that now with those two journalists in the employ of AL GORE's business empire !!?? Seems they were merely convicted of doing a 60 minutes spin off expose'.

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