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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: Cap and Trade [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 26, 2009 1:09 pm)

I thought she was more of a beach person but I can't say I know a whole lot about her politics.
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Re: Cap and Trade [steve_] by houdini1
Jun 26, 2009 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm)

The tax burden is a drop in the bucket compared to the wealth hit caused by the banking/wall street/pension fiasco. But I digress.
 
Who do you think is going to get rich buying/selling/exchanging carbon credits, setting up new derivatives etc. WALL STREET !! But I digress.
 
The costs we consumers will pay if this becomes law will dwarf everything else in our history. It is pure GREED by politicians at our expense. Votes today are not based on what the people want, they are based on what the politicians can personally get out of it.
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Re: Cap and Trade [steve_] by gagrice
Jun 26, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm)

I don't think they have voted yet. Boehner is reading the 300 page amendment that was tossed into the bill over night. What a sleazy bunch those Dems are. I am hoping for a repeat of 1994. Vote every one of those Democrats out of office in 2010. How much pork do you figure they added in those 300 pages to get a few more Democrats off the fence.
 
As of 6:15 PM EDT he was up to page 34, with all the interruptions. Waxman would like to shut any one up that questions his bill.
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all favors were called in by dave8697
Jun 26, 2009 (4:35 pm)
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the carbon credits were given out to supporters
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Re: all favors were called in [dave8697] by gagrice
Jun 26, 2009 (5:18 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 26, 2009 4:35 pm)

The only hope left for our country is a flaky Senate. Maybe they will have some common sense about this whole Cap N Trade BS bill. Too bad NKorea is so far from Washington DC.
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Re: Cap and Trade [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 26, 2009 2:55 pm)

Boehner is a Senator; it was the House that passed cap-and-trade earlier today. Senate passage is another story, and it's unlikely that they'll just adopt the House bill even if support for passage is there. And it's hard to say that support is there - there's a lot of coal, oil and electric utility money floating around the Senate.
 
Did anyone mention that Jerry Brown has dropped the global warming lawsuit against the automakers ? (Sfgate.com). The new administration made that suit and appeal unnecessary (at least to AG Brown).
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Re: Cap and Trade [steve_] by gagrice
Jun 26, 2009 (7:29 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 5:54 pm)

You mean Moonbeam is still on the state payroll? I thought CA cut all worthless and frivolous employees.
 
Filibusters are not allowed in the House. They’re a province of the Senate. But House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) may have figured out a way to get around that prohibition Friday as the House inched closer to voting on a controversial energy and climate change bill.
 
Overnight, House Democrats tacked onto the bill a 300-page amendment. So when Boehner took his time to speak against the package at the end of the debate, the Ohio Republican then decided to peel through major portions of the bill and read them aloud before his House colleagues.
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Re: Cap and Trade [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 26, 2009 7:29 pm)

Never trust Google. I knew I should have Binged it.
 
But is Business Week wrong too? (House Passes Carbon Cap-and-Trade Bill)
 
Oh yeah, Jerry Brown is the California AG, having been elected in 2006. He's running for governor (again) in 2010. (Per Wikipedia, if you can believe it...).
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Re: Cap and Trade [steve_] by gagrice
Jun 26, 2009 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 7:51 pm)

What do you expect. Google is one of Al Gore's companies. They do not know the difference between a Senator and Congress person. It is amazing how many references you see to a Senator Boehner. Stick with Drudge and get fair and balanced news.
 
I don't think Boehner was successful. So another big fat bill has been voted on without the members of Congress having a clue as to what it says. So much for an open government. Makes Nixon's look like a wide open book.
 
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Don't remind me about Jerry Brown. If I could I would sell out and move to our place in Hawaii. Just too much invested here to bail out.
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Re: Cap and Trade [steve_] by oldfarmer50
Jun 27, 2009 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm)

"...No one saw that Darryl Hannah...got arrested..."
 
I saw the photo that accompanied the story. Boy, Darryl has really let herself go.

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