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Replying to: fintail (Jun 26, 2009 6:28 am) I read the proposal for cap and trade. It appears as though cap and trade is a cover for more wealth redistribution. People with an income under $40,000 get a $400 check in the mail to pay for their higher electric bills whether or not they live in coal burning states. My contribution to conserving fuel: My '01 full size 4x4 sits in the garage with 23k miles on it in 8 years of use. My wife stays home to eliminate all her commute miles. My sons didn't get summer jobs to severely reduce their driving. Spent well over $200k to buy a new house 32 miles closer to my job, each way. maintain all my vehicles to get from 10-20% higher than EPA mpg from them with one exception out of 5. Haven't yet fixed the a/c in one vehicle even though it is 94 outside this week. kept the heat on 67 all winter in the new house. consolidate errand trips whenever possible. no summer vacation in previous 2 years. In response, India and china added 10's of millions of vehicles to their highways, billions were spent by foreign manufacturers to advertise their fuel efficient cars in the US, and gas producers reduced refining capacity to compensate for lower US gas demand and keep prices propped up. China opens a new coal fired elec plant each DAY. OPEC can't support their extravagant lifestyle on less than $75 a barrel, regardless of what it is actually worth, and will continually cut production to keep the price there. Some moron in congress argues that under cap and trade, reduced consumption coupled with higher fuel prices will increase MY buying power from my current income? How? What if I want to buy fuel? I know I need to stop being logical. Anything the dems do has income redistribution as the ulterior motive.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 26, 2009 8:43 am) As I said the other day in 1 of these forums, the government's programs are pushing me closer and closer to dropping out of the workforce as an engineer, as I can probably live just as well in a low-income bracket, where I can get these subsidies, instead of paying them!  Anyway here in New England we had about 2-3 days above 80F as highs, and we're headed back down into the 60's by Mon. This cool weather is keeping people from producing CO2 as it's too cold to head to the lakes or beach, and that water is still mighty cold, as we've had little sunshine. I sure hope Tata and Chery get more SUV's on the road, and they get 2 coal-plants/day fired up. 
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 26, 2009 9:34 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 26, 2009 9:34 am) No one saw that Darryl Hannah and *surprise* James Hansen got arrested? Hansen of NASA Arrested in Coal Country (NY Times) Oh, Hansen doesn't favor cap-and-trade either and opposes the bill the House just passed. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 26, 2009 11:02 am) Manchester is served by Southwest and is really a great little airport. Most of the hotels have indoor pools though, so that tells you a lot about global-warming not being an issue. I would never invest in an outdoor pool around here. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm)  ) realize that high CO2 levels are great for the rain-forests? She was on the wrong side of the protest!
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Replying to: kernick (Jun 26, 2009 1:09 pm) 
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm) Who do you think is going to get rich buying/selling/exchanging carbon credits, setting up new derivatives etc. WALL STREET !! But I digress. The costs we consumers will pay if this becomes law will dwarf everything else in our history. It is pure GREED by politicians at our expense. Votes today are not based on what the people want, they are based on what the politicians can personally get out of it. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm) As of 6:15 PM EDT he was up to page 34, with all the interruptions. Waxman would like to shut any one up that questions his bill.
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the carbon credits were given out to supporters
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