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#5688 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [gagrice] by steve_ HOST Jun 22, 2009 (3:41 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jun 22, 2009 3:25 pm) It's funny how Drudge reports on cool temps in AZ and skips over the record highs in Miami this week. My mom is complaining about Chattanooga right now since it's close to a 100°F there too.   "Actual temperatures near 100 degrees fahrenheit have only occurred a few times across Mainland South Florida through the period of meteorological record of about 100 years. Normally, onshore seabreezes keep temperatures well below 100 degrees near the heavily populated coastal areas of Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Mainland Monroe, and Collier counties.   However, today, Monday, June 22, 2009, a persistent strong westerly wind flow kept sea breezes from developing along the Metro Atlantic coast. This along with strong high pressure aloft allowed actual temperatures to soar near 100 degrees in Metro Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties, resulting in numerous record temperatures."   That's from Weather Underground - wonder why Matt doesn't report it? Replies to this message: houdini1 (Jun 23, 2009 5:21 am) gagrice (Jun 23, 2009 6:08 am) ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 6:18 am)
#5689 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [steve_] by houdini1 Jun 23, 2009 (5:21 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jun 22, 2009 3:41 pm) Huh, must be an isolated anomaly. Remember weather is not climate.
#5690 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [steve_] by gagrice Jun 23, 2009 (6:08 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jun 22, 2009 3:41 pm) Well I would say the people in Florida should quit driving those big fat Caddies and Escalades then. They don't have a lot of high spots to run to when the ocean rises. I'm enjoying the pleasant weather in So CA. So GW is working out well for US here and in AZ. Replies to this message: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2009 6:18 am)
#5691 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [gagrice] by ruking1 Jun 23, 2009 (6:18 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jun 23, 2009 6:08 am) When I lived in Miami, I was told that my house was on one of the highest points in Miami. (11 ft above sea level). I just passed it off as one of those... curiosities. Until.. they told me I in one of the FEW areas where flood insurance was not required.
#5693 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [gagrice] by oldfarmer50 Jun 23, 2009 (1:00 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jun 22, 2009 3:25 pm) "...Possibly the nicest June ever..."   Not here in the northeast. It's been so cold and rainy that I can't get my crops planted. They are already calling it "The year without a summer".   Can I sue Al Gore for my losses? Replies to this message: houdini1 (Jun 23, 2009 1:20 pm) avalon02wh (Jun 25, 2009 12:44 pm) gagrice (Jun 25, 2009 4:42 pm) avalon02wh (Jun 25, 2009 8:00 pm)
#5694 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [oldfarmer50] by houdini1 Jun 23, 2009 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jun 23, 2009 1:00 pm) Can I sue Al Gore for my losses?   Nope. He either has special environmental immunity...or he could quite successfully plead insanity.
#5695 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [oldfarmer50] by avalon02wh Jun 25, 2009 (12:44 pm)
Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jun 23, 2009 1:00 pm) "Can I sue Al Gore for my losses?"   No, cold and rainy, that would be George Bush.   On a more serious note, we might not be able to use our AC in the future.....   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090622171503.htm "The authors have shown that by 2050 the HFCs contribution could rise to 7 to 12 percent of what CO2 contributes."   A bit ironic, warmer temps means more AC which leads to higher temps and even more AC.... This must be one of those positive feedback loops. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jun 25, 2009 4:42 pm) avalon02wh (Jun 25, 2009 8:00 pm)
#5696 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [avalon02wh] by gagrice Jun 25, 2009 (4:42 pm)
Replying to: avalon02wh (Jun 25, 2009 12:44 pm) So let me get this straight. Freon in my AC caused a hole in the Ozone that caused GW. They replaced Freon with HFCs and they are worse than CO2?   Everyone back in the cave. When do we say "TOO BAD" we are going to maintain a certain lifestyle and they can deal with the outcome in a 100 years? Replies to this message: avalon02wh (Jun 25, 2009 8:00 pm)
#5697 of 6985 Re: How much of the Globe has to be cooler to have GC [gagrice] by avalon02wh Jun 25, 2009 (8:00 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jun 25, 2009 4:42 pm) "So let me get this straight. Freon in my AC caused a hole in the Ozone that caused GW. "   It sounds like ozone is a mixed bag depending on where it is in the atmosphere. The ozone hole was an issue because it allowed more UV to get to the surface causing increased skin cancer. http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impact_of_ozone_on_climate_change   "Everyone back in the cave."   Maybe, I'm thinking a small island might work better. http://www.lordhowe.com/image-library.asp   "When do we say "TOO BAD" we are going to maintain a certain lifestyle and they can deal with the outcome in a 100 years? "   I think that peak oil issue will impact everyone long before GW.

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