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Replying to: kernick (Jan 15, 2009 1:38 pm) State and local guvmint are FOR and BY the people. If your city is proposing something that is essentially to you or your neighbors "Gestapo-ish" then get down there and have a say. Guvmints are banning trans-fat, which is bad for people. All kinds of things which are known "bad things" have been banned. Why would an "excessive proliferation of fast food restaurants" not fall under the "bad" category ?
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 1:44 pm) I have been a victim of State and County regulations. So I am one that would fight their liberal agenda. I basically had my property stolen from me in Oregon. I fought it five years and gave up. I bought 13 acres that was zoned 1 acre residential. When I decided to split it and sell pieces the county changed the zoning so I could not split it at all. So this piece of potential development land that I was paying higher taxes due to the POTENTIAL was no longer good for more than ONE residence with maximum 2 bathrooms and 1200 square feet. You will never understand the issue until you get screwed by a Federal, state or local government. Then you will despise them all as I do.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 2:17 pm) That falls under the category of someone getting raped and then never wanting to have sex again. Making a bad thing WORSE instead of making the best of what was left. And remember that state and local guvmint is FOR and BY you. "They" are not out to "get" anyone. Gary says, "When I decided to split it and sell pieces the county changed the zoning so I could not split it at all." That's very egocentric of you to think that the zoning rules were changed just to prevent YOU from doing something. If the reason they made the change was illegal then you could have sued them. Maybe they didn't want to chance 13 rental properties bringing down property values in that area.
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I would be worried if Waxman was changing my oil. This guy is a loose cannon. WASHINGTON (AP) - The chairman of a key House committee said Thursday he will move "quickly and decisively" to push legislation curbing greenhouse gases with a goal of passing climate legislation out of his committee before Memorial Day.  If you think he is scary looking, his ideas are worse. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 2:25 pm) Do you come up with these crazy ideas on your coffee break? I never intimated the zoning changes were directed at me. It was a state mandate to keep people from moving into Oregon. Are you at all familiar with the state? Do you have any understanding of the different types of property taxes in the different states. Like farm land is taxed different than residential than commercial. When land is designated potential development land it is taxed at a much higher rate than say farm land. I bought the land to develop and I paid the higher taxes for over 10 years. Then when I applied to split the land the rules had changed. After 5 years of trying to get the zoning changed back to 1 acre I gave up and sold the whole 13 acres at a loss. Oregon had successfully screwed me and thousands of other people out of money with repressive laws to keep the flood of Californians out of their state. My understanding after many years of legal battles the large land owners were able to get the laws repealed as of 2010. You should study some of the things Oregon has pulled and are being fought in court. I do not have the money to fight them. It was easier to cut my losses and give in. Some of the things states are doing to private land owners in this country under the disguise of protecting the environment is wrong. It is the rich liberals like Robert Redford & Ted Turner protecting their own personal interests. Now they got this giant Global Warming umbrella to use against the little guys like myself. It is not going unnoticed by people with some stroke. It is the typical "I got mine, screw you". Protesters label Redford an enemy of the poor Oil and gas drilling » Clergymen link famed moviemaker's stance to racism. Hollywood's Sundance Kid is hurting poor people. So say some East Coast ministers and conservative activists, who took to the streets in front of a downtown Salt Lake City theater on the eve of Robert Redford's Sundance Film Festival to accuse the actor of holding down low-income Americans with his opposition to oil and gas drilling near national parks in Utah. The protesters, led by the Congress of Racial Equality's national spokesman Niger Innis, suggested Redford should "relinquish his wealth" and live like a poor person. They complained that the filmmaker's anti-drilling stance could lead to higher energy prices for inner-city residents, forcing them to accept a lower standard of living. The clergymen prayed for Redford "to see the light" and linked his environmental activism with racism. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11455096 |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 1:44 pm) This country was founded for INDIVIDUAL freedom; "people" are individuals. This country was not founded on the basis that any individual needs to do what 51% or 99% of their neighbors think the individual should do. Read some articles from John Adams, Thomas jefferson, and Ben Franklin. You and many other people think that because we have a democratically elected government that is selected by who gets a majority, that every other decision in life then becomes a matter of what the majority wants. That is not was ever intended in this country. The fact is that government has been grabbing power over the years and expanding (by passing laws) what they think they should be able to decide. They are infringing on what have historically been individual rights and freedoms. The government with the acquiescence of people like you, continues to gather power and control, all in the name of protecting the individual based on their view of "good", and that individuals should not be allowed to make decisions that may be detrimental to themselves.
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 16, 2009 5:33 am) While these fellows disagreed on many issues of their day. Individual freedom was the glue that held them together during the very difficult times following the Revolution. I have watched over the last 50 years how our state and Federal government have slowly eaten away at individual freedoms. They always get people to agree that it is good for this or good for that and justify the loss in that manner. The last major loss was eminent domain. What a tragedy for property rights in this country. 5100 people in Riviera Beach Florida tossed from their homes to build high rise condos and a Yacht club. All under the guise of the COMMON Good. Good for WHOM Now we are facing an even larger grab for power to take individual rights. It is called "Carbon Credits" or Cap n Trade. This will allow the misguided miscreants running states like CA to run over personal rights in ways we never dreamed possible. They have already started with mandating Alternative energy by 2012. I know SDG&E have run into roadblocks at every attempt to follow the mandate. Yet if it is not in place SDG&E will be saddled with big fines. NO, SDG&E will just raise our electric rates to compensate for their loss. The very liberal Prime Minister of Australia was all gungho for cutting GHG, until he found out it would raise utility bills 25% on average. Well he does want to get re-elected. Kernick is absolutely RIGHT! every new well meaning regulation Steals more of our personal freedom. And the libs worry about wire tapping, sheesh.... 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 16, 2009 6:38 am) Oh yeah? Name a few personal freedoms you have personally lost in the last 50 years. Harder yet, name a few that EVERY American has lost in the last 50 years. Then name the "reason" those changes are bad for the GENERAL PUBLIC. It's one thing to broadly declare, "WAAH WAAH WAAH "THEY" are taking my personal freedom away WAAH WAAH WAAH !!!!!!" and entirely another thing to spell out EXACTLY what those freedoms are. Remember: the "Collective good" is greater than the "individual good."
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 16, 2009 6:48 am) Well I guess given the example, if you are the lawyers and the developers, et al... whom stand to gain, it is... collectively good.  
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 16, 2009 6:48 am) Yes that was what Stalin preached as he killed 30 million people. Collectivism is only good for those in control. The USSR was a failed system that we have moved slowly toward over the last 75 years. You know what personal freedoms I have been deprived of. Owning a small diesel PU truck and land being manipulated causing me a loss of money. One day you will wake from your collective slumber and realize what has happened.
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