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Replying to: kernick (Jan 15, 2009 10:00 am) I did not say "Impossible" I said "rare" And in most CITIES it IS RARE. No city that has a huge number of people with more than 1 acre of trees is going to put in a policy that would harm those people, because they have political power. If the people in the city that Gary mentioned who are large land owners want to stop the law, they CAN do so. Just as if it were to happen in YOUR town you could stop it if there were enough citizens who would be harmed. Last I checked, guvmint is still BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. kernick says, "but it's peoples' rights. " Sorry, having a Jack in the Crack on every city block is NOT a "right." I'd shut off my A/C if it became law. But there are enough people to block any such silliness.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 10:09 am) Again it is whose ox is getting gored. Here is an easy example, San Francisco used to use or have NO air conditioners or a very very small percentage. Now I do not think code allows building of a high rise structure without adequate A/C !!!! So to ask the REAL question. How is that LESS consumptive? |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 10:09 am) The new law does not stipulate the size of lot. I just used an acre as an example. Their new law just says if you remove a tree you have to plant two in its place. Makes no difference if your lot will not support it. I guess you could get around the law planting a couple Bonzai trees. Making laws based on a theory "Man made GW/CC" is scary. Protect trees, but when they are lost in the process of development they must be replaced. (e.g., if 1 tree is removed, 2 or more must replace it). http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/documents/2008/SustainabilityAg20081210.pdf
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 12:09 pm) Key phrase: "when they are lost in the process of DEVELOPMENT" This is a commercial law, not for residents and normal home owners. In that case, it takes no one's freedom at all and makes even more sense than if they were targeting homeowners.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 12:16 pm) So what are you in here for? Well I did A GW (George Washington chopping the cherry tree) and got hard time. Another scary example: on so called spare the air days in a CA county, it is unlawful to use the fire place. This has not proceed down to appeals case law, (aka CA Supreme Court to my knowledge) but what do you think would happen if YOUR land got seized because your tenants (rental home property) either were unaware or didn't think the law applied to them? (They are seizing your land again not theirs???)  So keep in mind that during the "eviction process" which in CA if all goes well can take 90 plus days, AND if they continue to burn through this time....Lucy... have some XPLAINING to DO !!!!
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 15, 2009 12:18 pm) I'm in denial of WHAT, again, exactly? |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 15, 2009 12:18 pm) district entered into a memorandum of understanding with the TRPA that allows the district to use its forester to designate and issue permits for home- owner tree removal, a practice previously reserved for the TRPA forester. If you only PARTIALLY understand the issue, then yes it looks like "Tree Police Gestapo" actions. But when you know the WHOLE STORY, then it 'splains itself.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 12:26 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 15, 2009 12:32 pm) "Why do you think Tahoe is still a beautiful place? Should we have allowed unrestricted development and habitat destruction so people can do whatever they want? Living up here takes a certain partnership with the environment, an obligation to limit one’s impact. TRPA is being used as a scapegoat. They have a very difficult role to play. Think about what it takes to balance all the needs in the basin without a revolt from the masses. Jack, Tahoe Keys ANYWAY, this is FAR OFF TOPIC. The point is: someone has to be in charge of taking care of the Tahoe area to preserve the beauty and KEEP THE TOURISM MONEY COMING IN. If they seem heavy-handed at times, then look at the end game, the goal. It's worth it.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 12:35 pm) Finally something you said that we agree on.
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