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Call this a case of liberalism via central planning gone wild. In one of the most politically left-of-center cities east of Berkeley, Calif., ideas put forth at city hall in Madison, Wis. would dramatically limit free enterprise and personal liberty, all in the name of environmental sustainability. Zoning should adapt to meet the demands of climate change; use zoning to address or mitigate effects, or adapt to climate change; remove any barriers to mitigating the effects, adapting to climate change (trees, green space, mobility, renewable energy, land use). Other proposals throughout the document would push for use of alternative energies (solar, geothermal and wind), conservation, electric cars and urban agriculture. Other more Draconian regulations throughout the document would: * Limit waterfront development in the name of water sustainability, * Require two trees to be planted if one is removed from your property * Limit the “number/density of fast food outlets and drive-through windows” in the name of public health * Discourage individual parking options to promote public transportation usage http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090114094613.aspx http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/documents/2008/SustainabilityAg20081210.pdf
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 7:05 am) * Require two trees to be planted if one is removed from your property * Limit the “number/density of fast food outlets and drive-through windows” in the name of public health * Discourage individual parking options to promote public transportation usage None of those sound particularly "Freedom-Robbing" to me......they sound like good ideas. Every city should start doing that. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 7:18 am) I am sure you do feel that way. As it is not your property they are taking away your freedom to do as you would like with. Suppose you own an acre of trees and would like to clear just enough space to build a home. Those regulations would make it very difficult. Or you own water front property that you would like to build something on to generate enough income to cover the high taxes. It is a further erosion of personal rights in the name of environmental concern. LA has already blocked fast food restaurants in the South Side because the population is obese. I am still waiting for the Phoenix mandate that requires all building to cut back on air conditioning to no lower than 85 degrees. Then we will hear some screaming.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 7:27 am) What can you "build on" to a waterfront property to "generate income?" Blocking MORE fast food restaurants to try and help people control themselves is not a bad idea. If another new fast food restaurant was NEVER EVER built again in LA, they would have enough as is. I'd welcome the reduced electricity bills if Phoenix forced an 85 degree home. I already hang out at around 81-83 anyway.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 7:05 am) The one thing everyone did that bugged me was burning leaves in the fall - this was back in '84 and even frigid Anchorage was composting them citywide by then. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 7:18 am) When Hitler restricted where Jews could live and what occupations they could work at a lot of Germans thought that was a good idea. When Stalin came up with the idea of starving 6 million farmers because they didn't share his vision of land use some Russians though it was a good idea. When Mao started shooting drug dealers and charging their families for the cost of the bullet many Chinese thought it was a great idea. Me? I'm not so sure that more government control over me is EVER a good idea. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 15, 2009 9:10 am) Indeed Stalin and Mao had many more folks to kill!!!?? Some estimations put Stalin's killing spree (my .02cents) at 23 million Russians. Mao's killing spree is estimated at 23 to 26 M Chinese. I guess it is not genocide when you wipe out your own peoples'   !!???
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 15, 2009 9:10 am) Guvmint already "controls" you. They force you to pay taxes, to not murder someone, to wear a seatbelt, to pay for the roads you drive on, etc etc. Having guvmint tell you "if you kill a tree, please plant two to replace it" or "try to find smarter ways to get to work other than the "one person, one car" method" is not akin to anything you mentioned in your post. Keep it Real, YO.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 9:22 am) (You or) anybody can google this, about the Lake Tahoe, CA issue. Short version : development, population and so called tree cutting has been severely limited to banned. ANY incident of forest fire is instantly stamped out. Short version result: the policy over time has led to a figurative as well as literal powder keg situation. There are HUGE untold supplies of dead to rotting fuel instantly available for a conflagration (literal hell on earth fire). Proably closer to you, you can also google about a past conflagration which enveloped a large percentage of New Mexico. Just keeping it REAL. 
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 7:32 am) Wrong again. I live within city-limits, a small city, but I have 12 acres, 11 of which are trees. The only cleared are for my leachfield, driveway and house. I will cut any or all the trees I want, as the government did not contribute $0.01 to the purchase. I believe in the rights of the owner to do anything with their property they want, unless it is really egregious, such as turning it into a strip-mine. What can you "build on" to a waterfront property to "generate income?" LOL, as you live in the desert! Blocking MORE fast food restaurants to try and help people control themselves is not a bad idea. Sure it is. Let people decide for themselves. We let people drink alcohol, smoke, and gamble all they want - probably a lot of negatives. but it's peoples' rights. I'd welcome the reduced electricity bills if Phoenix forced an 85 degree home. Before the 1940's didn't everyone who lived in places like Phoenix NOT have AC at all. Why not live like people in 1900, and shut the AC off altogether?
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