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Automotive News & Views Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?
6727 messages, Last post on Nov 05, 2009 at 2:29 PM
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jan 10, 2009 9:19 am) Just to put the whole thing in perspective. The first power plant on the list puts out more CO2 than 6,661,000 VW Jetta TDIs would, if driven the average 15k miles per year. So if we all quit driving ICE vehicles and switched magically to EV would we really cut GHG that much. Those 20 coal plants are about equal to half the cars on our roads in the USA. Buying CFL bulbs will mainly put a lot of US workers on the street and increase the Chinese GDP. But that is our Congress at work. Here would be a good question. Do our refrigerators contribute as much to GW as our cars?
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 10, 2009 5:08 pm) |
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Today or tomorrow might be a good day to poll people in the vast majority of the country to ask them if they are too warm?  How cold would it be without the GW we've already cause?  Personally I'll be putting towels, blankets, and sleeping bags against my windows. Oil, electric heaters, and wood will also be going, as we still don't have enough GW to turn them off. I'd like to have Al Gore come over and camp out in my yard for a few days, if he lives, and have him tell me how the Earth is too warm.
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 14, 2009 5:44 am) Stay warm!
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 14, 2009 7:24 am) 
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gagrice - 80F and happy; average temp. of the Earth = 59F, kernick  - 5F tonight and very unhappy. I'd prefer the 80F also! Can't wait for Fri. where the forecast is a high of <10F, and much colder at night.
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 14, 2009 1:36 pm) http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=alpine%2C+ca |
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Call this a case of liberalism via central planning gone wild. In one of the most politically left-of-center cities east of Berkeley, Calif., ideas put forth at city hall in Madison, Wis. would dramatically limit free enterprise and personal liberty, all in the name of environmental sustainability. Zoning should adapt to meet the demands of climate change; use zoning to address or mitigate effects, or adapt to climate change; remove any barriers to mitigating the effects, adapting to climate change (trees, green space, mobility, renewable energy, land use). Other proposals throughout the document would push for use of alternative energies (solar, geothermal and wind), conservation, electric cars and urban agriculture. Other more Draconian regulations throughout the document would: * Limit waterfront development in the name of water sustainability, * Require two trees to be planted if one is removed from your property * Limit the “number/density of fast food outlets and drive-through windows” in the name of public health * Discourage individual parking options to promote public transportation usage http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090114094613.aspx http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/documents/2008/SustainabilityAg20081210.pdf
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 7:05 am) * Require two trees to be planted if one is removed from your property * Limit the “number/density of fast food outlets and drive-through windows” in the name of public health * Discourage individual parking options to promote public transportation usage None of those sound particularly "Freedom-Robbing" to me......they sound like good ideas. Every city should start doing that. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 15, 2009 7:18 am) I am sure you do feel that way. As it is not your property they are taking away your freedom to do as you would like with. Suppose you own an acre of trees and would like to clear just enough space to build a home. Those regulations would make it very difficult. Or you own water front property that you would like to build something on to generate enough income to cover the high taxes. It is a further erosion of personal rights in the name of environmental concern. LA has already blocked fast food restaurants in the South Side because the population is obese. I am still waiting for the Phoenix mandate that requires all building to cut back on air conditioning to no lower than 85 degrees. Then we will hear some screaming.
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