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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 08, 2009 11:29 am) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 11:00 am) Well it is topical because as any good psych. student will tell you when you live in poverty like 2/3 of the world's population, and struggle for survival and your food for tomorrow, you're not really going to be thinking about how green your lifestyle is. Hence you have people who will use whatever fuel is available, in whatever way is possible. As I've said before the gasoline I may not burn, may then be hacked from a pipe in Nigeria and burned in some village there. Even if the entire advanced world got off fossil fuels in the next 20 years, all that does is lower the price of the fossil fuels such that poorer societies can and will use them. The overall usage rate drops, but the fact that the fossil fuels will be burnt is not in doubt. Only an entire global population with readily available, inexpensive green-energy will stop fossil fuel use.
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 08, 2009 5:34 pm) You make a good point that a country has to obtain a certain standard of living before they can begin to think about being more green. Although in a place like China, you can wind up hammering your standard of living by poisoning the people you are trying to bootstrap up the ladder.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 5:40 pm) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 5:40 pm) So the question is? Do we generate electricity with coal in a cleaner manner than China? If we do would it not be wiser for US to use that resource rather than sell it to China? I prefer the Nuclear alternatives. That has its negatives and opponents as well. NO alternative known to man currently, is being accepted by all. Every alternative has its group of well meaning opponents. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 07, 2009 9:23 pm) Well I blame GW for toenail fungus and bad breath. I have no real proof but I do have a "consensus". That's all I need. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 6:32 pm) http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS106969+05-Jan-2009+PRN20090105 I will be curious to see if they can actually start construction, how long it will take to build and will they be able to build it without big cost overruns. To answer one of your questions - "Do we generate electricity with coal in a cleaner manner than China?" Yes. I did my yearly visit to several coal plants in ND and they keep making improvements. The plants in China on the other hand seem to be rather dirty. http://www.basinelectric.com/News_Center/News_About_Us/New_chimney_at_Leland_Old- .html http://mydocs.epri.com/docs/public/000000000001013060.pdf Table 6. Top-25 Highest CO2-Emitting Power Plants Worldwide (Format: Plant City Country Tons of CO2) * 1 TAICHUNG Lung-Ching Township Taiwan (China) 41,300,000 * 2 PORYONG Poryong-gun South Korea 37,800,000 * 3 CASTLE PEAK Tuen Mun NT China 35,800,000 * 4 REFTINSKAYA SDPP Reftinsky Russia 33,000,000 * 5 TUOKETUO-1 Tuoketuo County China 32,400,000 * 6 MAILIAO FP Mailiao Taiwan (China) 32,400,000 * 7 VINDHYACHAL Sidhi Dist India 29,000,000 * 8 HEKINAN Hekinan Japan 28,900,000 * 9 KENDAL Witbank South Africa 28,600,000 * 10 JANSCHWALDE Peitz Germany 27,400,000 * 11 SURALAYA Serang - Merak Indonesia 27,200,000 * 12 TANGJIN Tangjin-kun South Korea 26,900,000 * 13 MAJUBA Volksrust South Africa 26,500,000 * 14 TAEAN Taean South Korea 26,400,000 * 15 BEILUNGANG Ningbo City China 26,000,000 * 16 WAIGAOQIAO Shanghai Pudong China 26,000,000 * 17 TAISHAN Tongluowan China 26,000,000 * 18 BELCHATOW Belchatow 5 Poland 25,500,000 * 19 MATIMBA Ellisras South Africa 25,500,000 * 20 SCHERER Juliette United States 25,300,000 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071114163448.htm China's 2030 CO2 Emissions Could Equal the Entire World's Today http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/02/chinas-2030-co2.html Changing to CFL bulbs or buying a new 116D BMW (CO2 emissions of 118 g/km) isn't going to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jan 10, 2009 9:19 am) In light of the above quote, it has been truly amazing (since 2002 that I have been following this) how much effort has gone into "choking" off and containing the diesel CAR population. Counting ALL of the VWdiesel population in 32 years, selling (Edmunds.com article on 2009 Jetta TDI) 850,000 diesel in the USA market can bearly hit the immeasurable market  .850/254.1M= .0033451% aka app 1/3 of 1 percent !!!! A diesel car albeit low number of oems is still in the vanguard of the perfect storm ! The factors making this so, almost guarantee it to be so FAR into the future. |
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Quakes shake loose fears about Yellowstone volcano By MEAD GRUVER, Associated Press Writer – Sat Jan 10, 10:44 am ET link title |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Jan 10, 2009 9:19 am) Just to put the whole thing in perspective. The first power plant on the list puts out more CO2 than 6,661,000 VW Jetta TDIs would, if driven the average 15k miles per year. So if we all quit driving ICE vehicles and switched magically to EV would we really cut GHG that much. Those 20 coal plants are about equal to half the cars on our roads in the USA. Buying CFL bulbs will mainly put a lot of US workers on the street and increase the Chinese GDP. But that is our Congress at work. Here would be a good question. Do our refrigerators contribute as much to GW as our cars?
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