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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: A more dire threat than Climate Change [steve_] by oldfarmer50
Jan 06, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 06, 2009 10:41 am)

"...is sort of like talking about extending a wheelbase one inch. It can make a lot of difference in how the car rides and handles..."
 
You miss the OP's point. To use you example, you're worrying how you car handles while it is going off a cliff. He was saying that there may be dangers to mankind that are magnitudes greater than GW (even if it is real).
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Re: A more dire threat than Climate Change [steve_] by oldfarmer50
Jan 06, 2009 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 06, 2009 11:45 am)

"...Oh, NASA is tracking some 1000 potentially hazardous asteroids..."
 
Trouble is, there are 10,000 out there.
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Re: A more dire threat than Climate Change [steve_] by kernick
Jan 06, 2009 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 06, 2009 11:45 am)

Oh, NASA is tracking some 1,000 potentially hazardous asteroids.

 
And the millions of non-periodic comets that can come from the Oort cloud outside of the solar system? Or the comets of the Kuiper Belt by Neptune? Some of these comets are in thousand year orbits of the sun, like the Levy Shoemaker comets that hit Jupiter. If a comet comes from the other side of the sun, travelling at a typical 100,000 mph, you have a few days notice. NASA does not have any accounting of these millions of objects, nor really looks for them. And unless Bruce Willis has been training, we have no ready defense.
 
Jupiter was hit just 20 years ago by comets that would have killed almost everything except cockroaches. Do you like playing a lottery. This issue is many times more important than the UN considering whether mankind can make a small change in what is a normally changing climate.
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Re: A more dire threat than Climate Change [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Jan 06, 2009 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 06, 2009 5:39 pm)

Well, the Powerball is up to $105 million and I do have the itch.
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Yellowstone Supervolcano Earthquakes: Update by gagrice
Jan 06, 2009 (10:01 pm)
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For North America this could take our minds of GW for a while.
 
What does the earthquake swarm mean?
 
It is our opinion, and in agreement with Dr. Robert Smith of the University of Utah, that the current events are more of a major seismic event rather than a major volcanic event. The Alert Status of Yellowstone continues, at this time, to remain at the Green Alert Level. We do not anticipate the Alert Level to be raised at this time.

 
The CONSENSUS is a large part of the USA will be covered by volcanic ash if that volcano erupts. It is several times the size of Mt St Helens. Maybe now is the time for that extra coat of wax on the car.
 
The crater atop Mount St. Helens is about 2 square miles. The Yellowstone "caldera" — a depression in the Earth equivalent to a crater top — is some 1,500 square miles.
 
The 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption blew 1,300 vertical feet off the mountain, sent an eruption column 80,000 feet high in 15 minutes, ejected 1.4 billion cubic yards of ash detectable over 22,000 square miles, and killed 57 people.
 
But the last major eruption at Yellowstone, some 640,000 years ago, ejected 8,000 times the ash and lava of Mount St. Helens.
 
And that wasn't even the largest eruption in Yellowstone's prehistoric past.

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/under/under.html
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Interesting records... by ruking1
Jan 07, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Spokane residents deal with record snow
 
link title
 
..."The Spokane area has been buried by 6.5 feet of snow since the middle of December. That included 7.5 inches that fell at Spokane International Airport on Monday, a record for the date."...
 
Interesting that WA state a cradle of recent WW global warming protestations, the above is happening.
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Re: Interesting records... [ruking1] by gagrice
Jan 07, 2009 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 07, 2009 7:55 am)

Better be careful. You are sitting in the hottest of GW hotbeds. It may snow on SF. It got Malibu a few weeks ago. Spent a couple nights in Idyllwild, CA. The oldtimers say it is the most snow before Christmas since the 1940s. One snowfall over two feet. Lake Big Bear got 44 inches on that same Arctic storm in December. I think this winter will break the tip off the Hockey stick. I am sure Big Al will have a logical explanation when he digs out of his snow bank.
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Re: Interesting records... [ruking1] by houdini1
Jan 07, 2009 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 07, 2009 7:55 am)

Yes, they are extremely lucky. Without GW they would really be in a fix !!
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Re: Interesting records... [houdini1] by ruking1
Jan 07, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 07, 2009 8:37 am)

Well it does make you wonder what would happen if in the future we all converted (enormous and unnecessary expense) to EV vehicles (with the attending solar support) AND due to "inclement" weather conditions, the electrical power gets choked out for days to weeks.........Obviously the solar panels would not be functioning to efficiencies necessary to provide electrical needs.....
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Re: Interesting records... [ruking1] by kernick
Jan 07, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 07, 2009 8:59 am)

Well it does make you wonder what would happen if in the future we all converted to EV vehicles AND due to "inclement" weather conditions the electrical power gets choked out for days to weeks..
 
And I also wonder what % of advertised-range you'd get when you use battery power to run front and rear defrosters, run the wipers, run the lights, maybe put on a radio and operate in -10F weather.
 
Obviously the solar panels would not be functioning to efficiencies necessary to provide electrical needs.....
 
Having just seen an ice storm, I think you'd need to cut down any tree within 50' of a panel. I also don't know how effective they would be buried under snow and ice. And here in NH at this time of year we're lucky to get 8 hr/week of sunshine because of the short days and constant cloud-cover.
 
When the weather turns bad everyone around here who has power, is using a liquid fuel - either propane or going to the gas station for gasoline, to power a generator.

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