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Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [oldfarmer50] by gagrice
Dec 22, 2008 (8:06 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 22, 2008 4:12 pm)

because "we creationists have a consensus that our way is the right way".
 
Food for thought. I would say more people in the World believe in Creation by a higher being than believe in GW/CC caused by man. In fact the very small minority that believe we are doomed if we don't all pay into the Carbon Credit scam, are wielding a mighty big stick over the rest of us. Anyone claiming a consensus of opinion, is not to be trusted. It just means they, and a few friends have this theory. I am sure that many of the scientist that believe in the CC by man theory are sincere. That does not make them right.
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Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [gagrice] by kernick
Dec 23, 2008 (4:54 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:06 pm)

Maybe I can combine those theories, and say that because God is all good, he would never let us get in real trouble, and if the CO2 level gets too high, and it is too much of a problem, all we have to do is pray,and God will put the CO2 back where it naturally belongs. No problem! No sense us humans worrying a lot about something that God can fix in a blink of an eye.
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Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [kernick] by alltorque
Dec 23, 2008 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 23, 2008 4:54 am)

Nice thought, Kernick............even with the smilie. Now let me see. Who do I have more faith in ? God or Gore & his disciples. Hmmm. Tough one (not). Well, it begins with G.................but only has 3 letters. Sorry, Al, witchdoctors and shamen are not my style.
 
In case I don't post before..............may I wish a Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year to all you fellow CC heretics, (oh, O.K., and the rest as well).
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I'd dump my 10 year old Quest for $4,000 by steve_ HOST
Dec 23, 2008 (11:45 am)
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"A double-barreled idea that could help clean up our air and give a breath of life to a gasping auto industry is being pushed by the top Democrat and Republican on the House Energy and Air Quality Subcommittee."
 
'Cash For Clunkers' Program Would Make Sense -- If Approached Sensibly (Green Car Advisor)
 
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Re: I'd dump my 10 year old Quest for $4,000 [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 23, 2008 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 23, 2008 11:45 am)

While pictures/videos like these make for good graphics to good "passion" plays, the realites are FAR more wasteful. Municipalities concede by way of advertisement (report gross pollution cars) that a small minority of neglected cars (less than 1-5%) cause the majority of cause the MAJORITY of "OUT OF LAW" pollution ! Indeed there is no reason why a (for example) 10 year old car should have absolutely NO issues in passing smog only emissions tests and do so beyond (for example) out to the 30 year mark.
 
The other side of this is what is the cost (dollars and greenhouse gas emissions, etc) to manufacture something (new) EVERY year rather than keeping something 10 years (and beyond) ? So for example if I decided to buy say new every 5 years I would have bought 6 vehicles instead of 2
 
This might fall into the current heretical articles, but the current (dismal) new car market is really telling how many new cars are a tad over "necessary" again for example 10 M yearly/254.1 M US market= app less than 4%. Bascially 6M to 6.5 M folks would find it a no brainer to keep their current cars for at least another 6 months.
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Re: I'd dump my 10 year old Quest for $4,000 [ruking1] by gagrice
Dec 23, 2008 (12:27 pm)
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Our 19 year old Lexus LS400 passed with flying colors this year. Though the $4000 is tempting for our old Lexus. I don't think I could get anything I would want right now. If there was a new vehicle I wanted on the market I would buy it. No more screaming 4 or 6 cylinder gas engines for me. If the Lexus were to have a major failure I would probably buy the VW TDI Sportwagen to replace it. Not perfect but better than any gasser for running errands and shopping.
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GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HAPPENING by bpeebles
Dec 23, 2008 (7:13 pm)
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Given that the scientefic community today announced that 2008 is the COLDEST year on record and that "Global Warming" is obviously not happening... I guess this discussion is a moot point.
 
This forum is candidate for closing and putting in the archives!!
 
(Or change the title of this forum...)
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HAPPENING [bpeebles] by steve_ HOST
Dec 23, 2008 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Dec 23, 2008 7:13 pm)

I believe the headline you're seeing is "the coldest year in a decade".
 
But all those headlines seem to be from opinion pieces.
 
Meanwhile, 2008 Among the 10 Warmest Years - Marked by Weather Extremes and Lowest Level of Arctic Ice Cover. (Yubanet)
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HAPPENING [steve_] by bpeebles
Dec 23, 2008 (8:00 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 23, 2008 7:42 pm)

No -that is not what I was refering to.
 
Also, it is now realized that the SOUTH pole ice is increasing faster than previously.... again, what we see as a loss at the NORTH pole is apparently being made up on the SOUTH pole.
 
Mother Nature stays in equalibrium in spite of what us puny humans can do. How can any educated person honestly beleive humans can have a lasting effect on the climate? (besides cutting down the rainforests) We need to stop feeding the notion that humans are CAUSING climate change and especially stop the politicians trying to "FIX" it!!
 
Just a single volcano eruption puts more crp into the atmospehere than any humans ever can with a 10million cars.
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HAPPENING [bpeebles] by steve_ HOST
Dec 23, 2008 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Dec 23, 2008 8:00 pm)

Got a link?
 
I see some from back in January, like this one from the Christian Science Monitor:
 
Scientists are puzzled, but the phenomenon seems to fit the latest global-warming models
 
(and thanks for the diversion from the Poinsettia Bowl - TCU has all the stats going for them. )

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