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Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) People just can't start presenting theories and misinformation as scientific fact and expect others not to oppose/expose them. Don't you agree?
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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 22, 2008 12:10 pm) But so is "Poo Poo, Man has no effect at all" the wrong attitude. What got me leaning the "Pro-GW" way in the first place was not AlGore or any of his ilk. ( He and his Carbon Credits can bite me.) It was simply reading the NASA temperature records and noticing how from 1980-2007, 23 of the 28 years had been "above the norm" since measurements started in 1880. And yes, I KNOW THAT'S A SMALL SAMPLING. I'm not going to get into that fact. What it DOES show me is a trend of warmth. I'd like to know the cause of the trend. If it's something Man is doing, then let's try to fix it. If not, let's find out what it is. Regardless, we need to be better stewards of our planet, or the aliens might send Klaatu and Gort down to erase us. 
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) And yet there are some who would bankrupt us individually and our country as a whole based on this incomplete and most likely, bogus theory. Let's put it in to another context. Let's say that creation scientists proclaim that if we all don't fall in line behind their theory, the earth will be doomed. In addition these creationists say we should levy an "evolution tax" upon all people even if this means some of them will starve. It's for their own good, they will say, because "we creationists have a consensus that our way is the right way". Now let's say that the creationist's friends in the news media label everyone who disagrees as a "denier" and dismisses everything they have to say. Wouldn't it be frightening to live in a world like that? |
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 22, 2008 4:12 pm) |
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 22, 2008 4:12 pm) Food for thought. I would say more people in the World believe in Creation by a higher being than believe in GW/CC caused by man. In fact the very small minority that believe we are doomed if we don't all pay into the Carbon Credit scam, are wielding a mighty big stick over the rest of us. Anyone claiming a consensus of opinion, is not to be trusted. It just means they, and a few friends have this theory. I am sure that many of the scientist that believe in the CC by man theory are sincere. That does not make them right.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:06 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 23, 2008 4:54 am)  In case I don't post before..............may I wish a Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year to all you fellow CC heretics, (oh, O.K., and the rest as well). 
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"A double-barreled idea that could help clean up our air and give a breath of life to a gasping auto industry is being pushed by the top Democrat and Republican on the House Energy and Air Quality Subcommittee." 'Cash For Clunkers' Program Would Make Sense -- If Approached Sensibly (Green Car Advisor) 
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 23, 2008 11:45 am) The other side of this is what is the cost (dollars and greenhouse gas emissions, etc) to manufacture something (new) EVERY year rather than keeping something 10 years (and beyond) ? So for example if I decided to buy say new every 5 years I would have bought 6 vehicles instead of 2 This might fall into the current heretical articles, but the current (dismal) new car market is really telling how many new cars are a tad over "necessary" again for example 10 M yearly/254.1 M US market= app less than 4%. Bascially 6M to 6.5 M folks would find it a no brainer to keep their current cars for at least another 6 months.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 23, 2008 12:20 pm) |
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