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#4488 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [steve_] by gagrice Dec 22, 2008 (8:08 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 7:59 am) I have never been one to discount man's pollution on our rivers and air. I did survive the early years in Los Angeles when you could not breath for the leaded gas exhaust.   My problem is with those that think we can change the Global temperatures significantly. I also detest the alarmist that would have me drive a Yugo so they can live in an 11,000 square foot mansion and use 10 times as much electricity as I do. Or have a 100 foot long house boat with many times the carbon impact as my modest home. It is not the Larsb's of the country I have a problem with. It is the "Do as I say, Not as I DO" GW alarmists from NYC, Washington DC and Hollywood, I have an issue with.
#4489 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by ruking1 Dec 22, 2008 (8:11 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:54 am) THE HUGE issue/s (to me) is/are the Global winter a sists folks went from a GLOBAL winter (scant 40 years ago) to now GLOBAL WARMING (recently) to AGAIN GLOBAL (monsters) CLIMATE change: with absolutely no correlated cause/effect relational explanations for the TRANSITIONS, other than other than they continually get their noses PINGED and I am sure they are tired of the nose pingings/breakings. So basically it was a struggle to get descriptive langage; so when ANYTHING happens: its global "whatever". We used to call this magical thinking! (world is flat) The real reasons both for/against is ECONOMIC !!   So now (since we kilt GOD) it's mudder hood, muddled nature, apple pie, global climate change. Again I have no problem with a passenger vehicle that runs on H20 and a tank lasting almost a lifetime. It is just not on the market and for obvious reasons. Our continuing to ignore the US being literally exponentially better than the Saudia Arabia of COAL: we do at our own peril and extreme threat to our own national security.
#4490 of 6849 This weather is adding up ... by kernick Dec 22, 2008 (9:26 am)
to soon being climate. It seems that it is not just one area on one day that is colder than normal, as proponents of GW love to use that excuse to dismiss new data!   http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Deroy+Murdock%3a+Baby%2c+it%27s- +cold+outside%2c+no+matter+what+Al+Gore+says&articleId=b5668d53-404e-4f91-9356-9- 1cba0117933   Because of this continued "GW" my combustion of fosil fuels is increasing (running low on wood, and just ordered 200 gal of oil). Snow from Nov - April (6 months) year after year does not convince me of any GW!
#4491 of 6849 Ghengis Khan (of the Mongols fame) evidently didnt get the word by ruking1 Dec 22, 2008 (11:01 am)
"Founded by Mongols in the time of Ghengis Kahn, the town of"...   link title
#4492 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by houdini1 Dec 22, 2008 (12:10 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) Larsb, I agree with you. The problem is that it is the global warming devotees who are making a big deal of this. Others of us on this forum are acting in a strictly defensive mode and trying to reason with them.   People just can't start presenting theories and misinformation as scientific fact and expect others not to oppose/expose them. Don't you agree? Replies to this message: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 12:28 pm)
#4493 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [houdini1] by larsb Dec 22, 2008 (12:28 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 22, 2008 12:10 pm) Well, I agree that the "The Sky Is Falling" attitude is the wrong attitude.   But so is "Poo Poo, Man has no effect at all" the wrong attitude.   What got me leaning the "Pro-GW" way in the first place was not AlGore or any of his ilk. ( He and his Carbon Credits can bite me.)   It was simply reading the NASA temperature records and noticing how from 1980-2007, 23 of the 28 years had been "above the norm" since measurements started in 1880.   And yes, I KNOW THAT'S A SMALL SAMPLING. I'm not going to get into that fact.   What it DOES show me is a trend of warmth. I'd like to know the cause of the trend. If it's something Man is doing, then let's try to fix it. If not, let's find out what it is.   Regardless, we need to be better stewards of our planet, or the aliens might send Klaatu and Gort down to erase us.
#4494 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by oldfarmer50 Dec 22, 2008 (4:12 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) "...no one can know the complete, full, true impact of man's activities..."   And yet there are some who would bankrupt us individually and our country as a whole based on this incomplete and most likely, bogus theory.   Let's put it in to another context.   Let's say that creation scientists proclaim that if we all don't fall in line behind their theory, the earth will be doomed. In addition these creationists say we should levy an "evolution tax" upon all people even if this means some of them will starve. It's for their own good, they will say, because "we creationists have a consensus that our way is the right way".   Now let's say that the creationist's friends in the news media label everyone who disagrees as a "denier" and dismisses everything they have to say.   Wouldn't it be frightening to live in a world like that? Replies to this message: houdini1 (Dec 22, 2008 6:09 pm) gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:06 pm) kernick (Dec 23, 2008 4:54 am) alltorque (Dec 23, 2008 6:49 am) houdini1 (Dec 27, 2008 1:27 pm)
#4495 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [oldfarmer50] by houdini1 Dec 22, 2008 (6:09 pm)
Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 22, 2008 4:12 pm) Now that is a good one to cogitate on !!!
#4496 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [oldfarmer50] by gagrice Dec 22, 2008 (8:06 pm)
Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 22, 2008 4:12 pm) because "we creationists have a consensus that our way is the right way".   Food for thought. I would say more people in the World believe in Creation by a higher being than believe in GW/CC caused by man. In fact the very small minority that believe we are doomed if we don't all pay into the Carbon Credit scam, are wielding a mighty big stick over the rest of us. Anyone claiming a consensus of opinion, is not to be trusted. It just means they, and a few friends have this theory. I am sure that many of the scientist that believe in the CC by man theory are sincere. That does not make them right. Replies to this message: kernick (Dec 23, 2008 4:54 am) alltorque (Dec 23, 2008 6:49 am)
#4497 of 6849 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [gagrice] by kernick Dec 23, 2008 (4:54 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:06 pm) Maybe I can combine those theories, and say that because God is all good, he would never let us get in real trouble, and if the CO2 level gets too high, and it is too much of a problem, all we have to do is pray,and God will put the CO2 back where it naturally belongs. No problem! No sense us humans worrying a lot about something that God can fix in a blink of an eye. Replies to this message: alltorque (Dec 23, 2008 6:49 am)

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