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#4484 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by gagrice Dec 22, 2008 (7:33 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) Fact is, no one can know the complete, full, true impact of man's activities on the global climate.   It looks like this year your "Hockey Stick" GW chart will get a workout. Lots of frozen places to play hockey.   You can discount solid evidence all you like. That is what debate is all about. I am just a voice for reality. It is only the global warming fanatics that are not interested in facts. The rest of US want to see data backed up by more data. Even then the issue is so large that it will be difficult to make any kind of judgment that is without room for debate.   So in response. No one can truly know how little man contributes to the changes in Global Climate. I personally would be surprised if it is more than 5%. Which means all the hand wringing and wasted resources will have less than a negligible affect on the Arctic ice melting. Replies to this message: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:54 am) steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 7:59 am) gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:08 am) ruking1 (Dec 22, 2008 8:11 am)
#4485 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by ruking1 Dec 22, 2008 (7:51 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) Based upon your second sentence you seem to have either a scotch o r cognac attidue (afficionado) never know what the "angels" had to go through to get the BREW ha ha !
#4486 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [gagrice] by larsb Dec 22, 2008 (7:54 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 7:33 am) Gary says, "You can discount solid evidence all you like." Just following your lead.   You refuse to even admit that historical temperature records are correct !!! How's that for "discounting solid evidence?" Replies to this message: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 7:59 am) gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:08 am) ruking1 (Dec 22, 2008 8:11 am)
#4487 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by steve_ HOST Dec 22, 2008 (7:59 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:54 am) Let's step back from the personal stuff. Besides, he's up to 5% so progress is being made.   We all may as well take a 4 week breather - assuming Obama's science appointments are all confirmed, there's going to be a lot of fresh arguments on the table. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 8:08 am)
#4488 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [steve_] by gagrice Dec 22, 2008 (8:08 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Dec 22, 2008 7:59 am) I have never been one to discount man's pollution on our rivers and air. I did survive the early years in Los Angeles when you could not breath for the leaded gas exhaust.   My problem is with those that think we can change the Global temperatures significantly. I also detest the alarmist that would have me drive a Yugo so they can live in an 11,000 square foot mansion and use 10 times as much electricity as I do. Or have a 100 foot long house boat with many times the carbon impact as my modest home. It is not the Larsb's of the country I have a problem with. It is the "Do as I say, Not as I DO" GW alarmists from NYC, Washington DC and Hollywood, I have an issue with.
#4489 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by ruking1 Dec 22, 2008 (8:11 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:54 am) THE HUGE issue/s (to me) is/are the Global winter a sists folks went from a GLOBAL winter (scant 40 years ago) to now GLOBAL WARMING (recently) to AGAIN GLOBAL (monsters) CLIMATE change: with absolutely no correlated cause/effect relational explanations for the TRANSITIONS, other than other than they continually get their noses PINGED and I am sure they are tired of the nose pingings/breakings. So basically it was a struggle to get descriptive langage; so when ANYTHING happens: its global "whatever". We used to call this magical thinking! (world is flat) The real reasons both for/against is ECONOMIC !!   So now (since we kilt GOD) it's mudder hood, muddled nature, apple pie, global climate change. Again I have no problem with a passenger vehicle that runs on H20 and a tank lasting almost a lifetime. It is just not on the market and for obvious reasons. Our continuing to ignore the US being literally exponentially better than the Saudia Arabia of COAL: we do at our own peril and extreme threat to our own national security.
#4490 of 6982 This weather is adding up ... by kernick Dec 22, 2008 (9:26 am)
to soon being climate. It seems that it is not just one area on one day that is colder than normal, as proponents of GW love to use that excuse to dismiss new data!   http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Deroy+Murdock%3a+Baby%2c+it%27s- +cold+outside%2c+no+matter+what+Al+Gore+says&articleId=b5668d53-404e-4f91-9356-9- 1cba0117933   Because of this continued "GW" my combustion of fosil fuels is increasing (running low on wood, and just ordered 200 gal of oil). Snow from Nov - April (6 months) year after year does not convince me of any GW!
#4491 of 6982 Ghengis Khan (of the Mongols fame) evidently didnt get the word by ruking1 Dec 22, 2008 (11:01 am)
"Founded by Mongols in the time of Ghengis Kahn, the town of"...   link title
#4492 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [larsb] by houdini1 Dec 22, 2008 (12:10 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 7:21 am) Larsb, I agree with you. The problem is that it is the global warming devotees who are making a big deal of this. Others of us on this forum are acting in a strictly defensive mode and trying to reason with them.   People just can't start presenting theories and misinformation as scientific fact and expect others not to oppose/expose them. Don't you agree? Replies to this message: larsb (Dec 22, 2008 12:28 pm)
#4493 of 6982 Re: A 2,000-Year Global Temperature Record [houdini1] by larsb Dec 22, 2008 (12:28 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 22, 2008 12:10 pm) Well, I agree that the "The Sky Is Falling" attitude is the wrong attitude.   But so is "Poo Poo, Man has no effect at all" the wrong attitude.   What got me leaning the "Pro-GW" way in the first place was not AlGore or any of his ilk. ( He and his Carbon Credits can bite me.)   It was simply reading the NASA temperature records and noticing how from 1980-2007, 23 of the 28 years had been "above the norm" since measurements started in 1880.   And yes, I KNOW THAT'S A SMALL SAMPLING. I'm not going to get into that fact.   What it DOES show me is a trend of warmth. I'd like to know the cause of the trend. If it's something Man is doing, then let's try to fix it. If not, let's find out what it is.   Regardless, we need to be better stewards of our planet, or the aliens might send Klaatu and Gort down to erase us.

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