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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 20, 2008 11:57 am) I don't think huge industrial countries have the luxury of letting nature decide issues for us. When nature decides for us, it's never pretty. But maybe America needs to spend some time in the Dark Ages. Might do us some good.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 12:04 pm) There might be some truth to this. For example the northeast for all they squawk about C02 emissions and energy consumption etc are THE biggest users of energy and C02 emissions. It has been more than obvious Hurricane Katrina (LA, MS) almost curtailed the oil supply to the N/E !! Not to let algae grow under them, "environmentalists" like Sen Ted Kennedy put the kybosh on wind turbine farms foundationed in salt water. GW/GCC advocates instead of getting ready for the FLOOD OF NYC (their crisis, not mine) continue to build! in the EXACT areas projected to FLOOD! ? Kyoto Accord green lights China (India also) goal of a min of 300 M new vehicles that have lower emissions standards and higher fuel consumption than Europe or the USA! The list goes on and on. But indeed these pale in comparison to stuff that truly have not happened yet like say the dormant HUGE volcano aka Yellowstone National Park decides to erupt! The Indonesian Tsunami was indeed caused by undersea earthquakes (non GW/GCC) link title |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 20, 2008 12:21 pm) The earth just keeps on rolling, and it goes where it wants to go. The idea, were it espoused by some, that complete reckless devastation of the environment leads to no consequences whatsoever strikes me as....um.....kinda nuts. Equally mystifying would be the notion that what happens to our fellow Americans on the other side of the country has no meaning whatsoever for us. Global Climate and its processes, as vast and complex a problem as it presents to scientists, is but a subset of even larger issues. It's possible that it really is too big for mankind to get ahold of at this point. More dramatic results may need to occur. It's also possible that we don't destroy ourselves at all, but merely have fewer people and animals in a somewhat diminished, but by no means disagreeable, Life on Earth. A life where we all drive a hybrid Toyota Yaris? Cruel but not unbearable, given the option of a donkey.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 12:30 pm) Well, I don''t think the GW/GCC's are ready for the real answers. However the very same folks who claim this stuff DOES make a difference in fact do not practice what they preach and if fact it DOES have nothing to do with anything !!!!! For discussion purposes it is a simple case of do what I say, not as I do. ..."A life where we all drive a hybrid Toyota Yaris? Cruel but not unbearable, given the option of a donkey."...  Got to love those SUV's |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 12:30 pm) Sorry man, that is not good enough for "THE CULT". EVs or electric mass transit. All powered by the sun or wind. As luck would have it, If I take care of this Sequoia it should easy last 20 years. By then I will probably be too old to be out on the highway driving.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 20, 2008 2:11 pm)  the 15 year mark if my 15/13 year old TLC's are any indicator. I run 15,000 to 20,000 mile OCI's to boot !! One is a puppy 160,000 miles.
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Replying to: jipster (Dec 18, 2008 7:02 pm) Boy, the 'ol Jipster can spot a con a mile away. You are right, of course. Without any context that figure is meaningless. Maybe a trillion tons melts EVERY year only to reform in the winter. Maybe TWO trillion tons melt in an average year and one trillion shows global COOLING. But the average "reality show" mentality of people today wouldn't know to ask the question. |
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I don't have to tell many of you about the climate in the USA. Here from another Continent. How much will this lower the GLOBAL TEMPERATURE? SEVERE COLD WAVE TO HIT EUROPE While it has been "chilly" so far, what is about to come is the worst in many a winter, perhaps the sign that the warm AMO is reaching its maturity. The US winter has been much like those around 1950 which was the benchmark winter in the pac northwest of the US and was the warning shot that the warm cycle of the 30s 40s and 50s was starting its end game. It should be comforting to people worried that we are pushing our planet over the edge that things that happened before are happening again, though the discomfort caused by cold is a big problem I wish to point out, with no malice intended, that the two countries who have major scientific organizations that have been pushing the global warming idea, Britain and the UKMET and the US with NOAA have been burned by the cold that has developed here. NOAA had a December forecast for a warm central US for November that they were forced to revise and the UKMET forecast for a rather bland winter for Europe speaks for itself. Its anything but bland, whether it averages out near the average or not, because what is coming has not been seen in years. http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather The real issue is what will Al Gore do with those warehouses full of Carbon Credits he was wanting to sell? Will his millions be gobbled up in storage fees? 
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 22, 2008 6:31 am) Your quote really puts the cap on the thought the GW/GCC marketing drives has ALWAYS been on increasing the price/cost of energy ALL ALONG !!! The hope has been to use LESS and increase percentages, prices AND TAXATION !!?? They are just content using the so called "pendulum and ratchet" methods. They have had the traditional boogie men: MONSTER/S OIL !!!! AH !!!!! monsters !!! Anybody who mentions that governments/states/nations make MORE money than the MONSTERS somehow some way do not get the time of day. The real tragedy goes unreported unheralded. Now there is and has ALWAYS been a place for taxation. But money spent in the free market system locally has at the LEAST an 8-1 multiplier effect; while taxation is a 1 dollar taxation= 2 dollars you have to earn proposition. So taxation deployment has to (should, but NOT) be ever so judiciously applied and hopefully for obvious reasons. What has actually happened if this economic scenario is any example is less use and record LOW PRICES. When taxation is the same, low prices actually almost exponentially increase TAXES. For those that have a hard time visualizing this: CA for example has an excise taxation of .18 cents each: RUG to PUG/D2. (this is only ONE level of taxation at the pumps) Do the math at 4 dollars per gal vs 1.60 per gal. So for example there is talk in the CA legislature of upping the per gal fees/taxation or whatever they wish to call it to skirt the 2/3rds majority vote on taxation to $1.00 per gals. The percentage rise will be EXPONENTIAL while a $1.00 RISE will seem "reasonable" under so called "extreme" conditions !!! |
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Not all scientist get equal time in the media. We suspect you have been living your life unaware of the articles by Loehle and McCulloch. The reason is obvious – they found evidence that temperature variations over the past 2,000 years indicate that the earth’s average temperature bounces around naturally to a larger degree than other paleo-reconstructions indicate, and further, that temperatures about 1,000 years ago were not that dissimilar to today’s temperatures. This suggests that the earth’s ecosystems are more resilient (and adaptive) than some pessimists give them credit for—not a favorite topic in the mainstream press. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temper- ature-record/
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