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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 19, 2008 10:53 pm) With that statement I can agree. My whole skepticism is directed at those folks that claim it is a done deal. Man is the primary cause of climate change. I have no doubt that man can contribute to some climate change both locally and globally. When Sadam lit off 1500 oil wells in the first Gulf War it was bound to cause problems. Our bombing of Japan in WW2 was also significant. Where I get upset is when jokers like Al Gore say we need to do away with the internal combustion engine. He offers no alternatives except we should all be driving EVs by 2020. How ignorant is that? I am against radicalism in either direction. I would have been happy 10 years ago to drive as my primary vehicle a small diesel PU getting 40-45 MPG. Thus cutting my carbon footprint by more than half over the Suburban I bought. The radicals running the EPA and CARB says no to cutting CO2 with high mileage diesel vehicles. So what's a person to do? I say screw all the leftist swine in government, I will drive a "legal" porker gas guzzling C02 spewing SUV .
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 20, 2008 7:39 am)   (Hopefully I have put the concept in babblistic terms) Indeed with the BIG IV auto bail out, down payment (many more payments to follow) not only is the writing on the wall, it is now in the monument shop being engraved in STONE. Not one of the 4 has identified the new cash cow, and by default it WILL remain the SUV/pick up truck. "Burning more while professing that folks should burn less" will remain the policy as well as the reality. Seriousness will be demostrated when SUV's/Trucks are on the market that can actually get 30-35 mpg and UP: be it turbo diesel or other.Turbo diesels are just the most logical and actually stand the best chance of achieving the actual goal of... using less (20-40% currently over RUG to PUG) . It makes now all the sense in the world to keep a 15 year old SUV,... 15 more years!!! By then maybe there WILL be an SUV on the market that will get 30-40 mpg or better. I was hoping for an SUV/pick up truck that runs on H20 by that time frame !!!!...NOT !!! |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 20, 2008 5:30 am) It's the very CONFUSION about the "right answer" that worries me the most---what do we do, if anything, until we find out what's really going on? And, will we find out too late what's going on? Or will we go off in the wrong direction of what's going on? This is why I trust science in matters of this particular sort (matters in which science is appropriate) ---the truth will out and cut across any political or attitudinal lines eventually. it all takes time. Mankind doesn't learn easily or quickly. As for the Big Three, even if their corporate boards have no believe whatsoever in global warming (that's fine), they had best pay attention to changing attitudes about clean technology and fuel efficiency. The GW debate has sparked an increase in consciousness about man's effects on the climate and the environment so I see it ALL as a good thing.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 8:43 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 20, 2008 9:34 am) The question is not how many of X you sell---the questions are: a) did you make any profit? and b) was the product good enough to inspire a repeat buyer? and c) is your competition catching up with you?
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 9:38 am) To borrow an Iaccocca line: we have jobs  lower per hour rates and NONE at higher per hour rates! The Congress pretty much said you have a job at the HIGHER dollar rates, just higher the newbies at the lower rates!!!! WE OK NOW !!!!????   So yeah I am just waiting to buy my American car with a IRS tax credit $15,000 and a discount voucher for 10-15k. Why shouldn't the real owners get the bene's !???
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 20, 2008 9:40 am) I didn't notice that AIG had any labor rate restrictions placed on them when they got their $$$. the government forced business into being health car providers in the first place, way back when. The problem is that America does not view health care as a basic human need or right, and so this problem will just continue to fester. Personally, I think a healthy and contented workforce is going to be absolutely necessary in the 21st century's struggle for economic success among nations. Socialism works great for the NBA and NFL. I don't see why the Big Three can't do it.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 10:34 am) Well comrade, shoots down the evolution theory eh? Since we are on vehicles, hard to be profitable when labor is 2x the competition eh? Again really not a problem if they can sell the typical (there is no typical) for discussion purposes 40k suv for 80k and the competition (you know the ones with the lower labor rates) keeps selling theirs at 40k???? I am sure it does not take much explanation to know where that would go...????
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 20, 2008 10:41 am) Well those examples are already monopolies and the unions, aka UAW are also. How far do you think you'd get as an "independent" union if say the UAW was YOUR competition!? |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 20, 2008 8:43 am) Well if science wants an issue, and we want to throw money at something, Maybe people on the East Coast would like something done about this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/mega_tsunami.shtml Or something more serious which all you have to do is look at the moon. GW is insignificant compared to the environmental change a major comet or asteroid impact would make. I'd rather see the money that is and would be spent on GW put towards finding and defending against these hazards. These are known, proven hazards, not a minor issue of warming a few degrees - which I for one would find beneficial.
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