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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [oldfarmer50] by ruking1
Dec 13, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 13, 2008 6:33 am)

Makes you wonder why the press, at almost all levels did not cover/almost IGNORED these INCONVENIENT realities. I am glad you are back on line and have the "ESSENTIAL" services restored.
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [oldfarmer50] by kernick
Dec 13, 2008 (7:32 am)
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How useful do you think solar panels would have been in your backyard? I know around here many would have been smashed, by the same trees that brought down the power lines.
And at the time of year where we want the most energy, guess what the sun is only up about 9 hr a day low on the horizon.
 
I wonder if windmills froze up in the storm, or were damaged by the weight of the ice?
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [kernick] by oldfarmer50
Dec 13, 2008 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 13, 2008 7:32 am)

"...How useful do you think solar panels would have been in your backyard..."
 
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure the panels would have been damaged by the trees as you would locate them far away from trees for maximum sun exposure. The trouble would be that during the storm the skys are very cloudy so your panels wouldn't be doing much. Combine that with ice build-up and performance really sucks. And of course, at night they do nothing at all.
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [kernick] by gagrice
Dec 13, 2008 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 13, 2008 7:32 am)

The only sure thing is a FOSSIL FUEL GENERATOR as back up. A 3k to 5k Honda with the proper power switch is ideal. As the ICE AGE sets in I would look for more and more winter outages. If the phone and cable lines are down getting on line will be a challenge. A standalone wood, pellet or oil stove would be a must for Northern climates.
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [oldfarmer50] by steve_ HOST
Dec 13, 2008 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 13, 2008 8:08 am)

If the grid up there is down for several days (and it likely will be for a significant number of people), it does make you think about on-site generation with battery backup. If you can get the ice off the panels or the blades, you could get power recharging your batteries in a couple of days vs however long it takes for the utility crews to get to your area. You could use some of your stored juice to clear the ice from panels, like a car defroster.
 
Infrared solar panels work at night, but they are a few years (decades?) from practicality.
 
Why a generator? Just plug your Honda hybrid into the wall outlet and reverse the current flow.
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [steve_] by houdini1
Dec 13, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 13, 2008 8:35 am)

I have seen lawn tractors that can double as a generator. I have often wondered why there would not be some way to hook an inexpensive generator up to your car engine and spew out all the power one would need to power home needs in an emergency such as an ice storm.
 
Old Farmer, glad you are OK and back on line.
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 13, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 13, 2008 8:35 am)

Why a generator? Just plug your Honda hybrid into the wall outlet and reverse the current flow.
 
That is exactly what I did with my 2005 GMC Hybrid PU. It had 4 ccts 20 amps each. I kept the refrigerators and freezer going periodically when we had one of those rolling blackouts. The real problem is you need a power transfer switch to isolate your generation from the grid power. If I was going to the trouble of a battery backup system I would just get off the grid and produce all my own. Lots of places in Hawaii do that. Electricity is soooo expensive that alternatives make good sense.
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Dec 13, 2008 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 9:29 am)

The switches should come down in price a bit if and when the off-grid stuff finally hits critical mass.
 
The problem with being off the grid is that you can't sell your excess back to the utility.
 
Here's another GW tack:
 
"Cutting smog and soot has an immediate impact on climate change.
 
The climate-warming effects of these short-lived pollutants have largely been ignored by scientists and regulators focusing on climate policy. Carbon dioxide, with a lifetime of many centuries, is the star of that show, and the effects on climate by these other pollutants, which endure for mere months, are less well understood."
 
Trimming smog and soot offer immediate impact on climate change (Mercury News)
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Re: Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 13, 2008 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 13, 2008 10:00 am)

"Cutting smog and soot has an immediate impact on climate change.
 
We may dodge the bullet this winter if oil prices stay low. It will mean less people using wood to supplement their other more costly heating oil etc. The neighbor in front and back of me heat with wood. Being close to 100 feet away brings only a faint odor of wood smoke.
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Funny how this all works but... by ruking1
Dec 13, 2008 (10:22 am)
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Current after market emergency back ups can be pricey at best. I get a tool equipment catalog www.NorthernTool.com 800-556-7885 that has from the mild to wild (actually common sensical) adaptations which really CAN cost BIG bucks. Bottom line is they are either RUG or D2 powered.
 
When I was in the military and ran a production control facility (efforts of 3000 folks ) we had emergency back up diesel generators roughly about the size of a tractor trailer rig on a hard pad surface.

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