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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 11, 2008 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 11, 2008 9:09 am)

But I don't have much sympathy for Tesla.
 
I can't say that I was a supporter of Tesla either. He does make some good points on using the money as designated. Not just as a general bailout. I would like to see the Feds encourage companies like Mitubishi and Pinanfarina that have EVs developed to set up shop here to build their cars. Then get the EPA off their high horse on certain restrictions that will destroy the small practical EV from ever being sold here.
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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [gagrice] by ruking1
Dec 11, 2008 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 10:07 am)

The point is further driven home with examples like Mitsubishi and Pinafarina.
 
In any case, the operative behaviors cited, makes the point. ( less than almost not measurable EV passenger vehicle cars).
 
It is further almost ludicrously silly how long it will take to have ANY percentage EV population, once ANY yearly EV volume is factored in ( in context to the 254.1 M registered passenger vehicles) . So for example, Tesla delivered 100 ea EV vehicles. (US market I presume) WOW ! What is 100/ 254,100,000 = ? percentage. Now this is the good news !!!!
 
China has been cleared by the Kyoto Accord Treaty to launch easily to minimums of 300,000,000 (300 million) more RUG to PUG vehicles !? They incidently do not even meet minimum European emission standards, so vilified by the US domestic emissions "burning a greater volume is better for the environment than burning a lesser volume " folks. Incidently China also has 6 to almost 7 x the population of the US and the average "Joe Chinese" aspires to be... like US !!!
 
Not to be outflanked, what would one project INDIA wants???
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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [gagrice] by larsb
Dec 11, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 10:07 am)

Well, Tesla is asking for money to make their "for the masses" 4-door sedan, not for their "only for the rich folks" sports car.
 
Give them credit for that at least.
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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [larsb] by gagrice
Dec 11, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 11, 2008 10:42 am)

I did say that the Tesla guy made a good case for use of that money. I think Tesla has just become another ZAP looking for investors and doing very little to produce practical cars. I would rather see the money go for cars that are already in existence and being sold around the world. The money to be used for US factories to produce viable EVs.I would include the Mini E, though I think it will be a rich man's toy also.
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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [gagrice] by ruking1
Dec 11, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 11:16 am)

What would signal seriousness and also dial up the believability would be for government agencies to buy ONLY EV vehicles !! We can start with the most visible.... Police cruisers?
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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Dec 11, 2008 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 11, 2008 11:16 am)

I think Tesla has just become another ZAP looking for investors and doing very little to produce practical cars
 
That's the feeling I get too.
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Re: On a reality note: NOT serious about electric cars [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 11, 2008 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 11, 2008 11:46 am)

Got OLD news for you boys, the whole Silicon Valley is like that !! It has been that way for the 40 some odd years I have been associated with it. The only thing permanent has been... change.
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Electric cars in Saudi Arabia (early 70s) by bpeebles
Dec 11, 2008 (7:08 pm)
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I lived in Saudi Arabia as a kid (my dad worked for ARAMCO - "Arabian American Oil Company")
 
I recall that in the late 1960s and early 70s... the Arab service folks all drove electric vehicles around. (Guys that fixed Air-Conditioners, Plumbers...etc) These vehicles looked like a bright orange Jeep CJ5 with a canvas top on it. They went no more than about 15 MPH.
 
My point is that electric cars can be practical even when gasoline costs 12 cents a gallon.
 
I also recall seeing Messerschmitt cars. ( http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/messerschmitt-kr200-roadst.html)
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Living the Life Al Gore Intends for Us by oldfarmer50
Dec 13, 2008 (6:33 am)
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I'm back on line after a two day preview of the life-style Al has planned for us, a totally carbon free way of living.
 
A major ice storm put the power grid out of action in our area. People had no heat, no lights, couldn't drive as the roads were impassable and gas stations couldn't pump gas. All the things that Gore and his followers are trying to do away with were gone.
 
The result was a population of cold, hungry, frightened people huddling in the dark.
Just the world that Al has waiting for us. Not for himself, mind you, for US.

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