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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 10, 2008 10:45 am) “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet. “The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA. “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ. “After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden. “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee. “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh. “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles. “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan. “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. |
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This movie was first made back around 1951 but a new version is slated to open this weekend. The original was about an alien who landed here to warn us that our wars and atom bombs would eventually destroy us all so we better cut it out. The new version is similar but our crime this time is that we are destroying Mother Earth by man made global warming and pollution etc..... so we better cut this out. Mostly youngsters go to see these sci-fi movies and I am sure that after being beat over the head for a couple of hours with this nonsense they will all be converted to the Hollywood version of our global warming sins. |
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This is the biggest laugher: "When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." That's the funniest thing in the report. No one is going to feel "deceived" because there was never any attempt to deceive. We are never going to "know the truth" because both sides will always have data to support their view.
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 10, 2008 1:04 pm) How can you be so sure? Greed causes people to deceive other people all the time. From the start of the man made GW hysteria it smelled of greed and deception to me. If you believed it you were deceived. Whether you feel it or not.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 10, 2008 1:14 pm) But it did not START like that. The data was out there showing the warming and AlGore and his ilk made a cash-grab using the VALID DATA. Then the VALID DATA got disputed and other groups now have VALID DATA. That's why there is no overall intent to deceive. The data is there. The warming is REAL. That arctic ice is not melting it's own self. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 10, 2008 1:14 pm) The CAUSE of the warming is the debated issue.
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 10, 2008 1:18 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 10, 2008 2:10 pm) Duelling data. 1998 1.24 .52 1999 .94 .71 2000 .54 .81 2001 .78 .67 2002 .55 .57 2003 .53 .60 2004 .46 .68 2005 .71 .74 2006 1.15 * 2007 .84 * Every year in the last ten years in the USA has been above the "since 1880" annual mean. That's from NASA.
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Article from TODAY: Earf has warmed in last 30 years Huntsville, AL (AHN) - Globally, the Earth's atmosphere has warmed an average of about 0.72 degrees Fahrenheit (0.4 C) in 30 years, according to data collected from NOAA and NASA satellites. Over 80 percent of the planet has warmed by some measure. Half of the globe has warmed at least half a degree Fahrenheit, and a quarter of the planet has warmed by at least one degree Fahrenheit, according to John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center (ESSC) at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. |
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"He was an early advocate of finding scientific solutions to combat climate change, according to the Berkeley Lab Web site. And during his tenure there, he has worked to make the Berkeley facility a world leader in alternative and renewable energy research, particularly with the development of carbon-neutral energy sources." Nobel physicist Steven Chu in line for energy post (Chron.com) "As global warming warnings grow more dire, Chu is currently pushing his scientists at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and industry to develop technologies to reverse climate change." (Wikipedia)
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