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Replying to: alltorque (Nov 30, 2008 9:25 am) Cheers...
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 1:38 pm) Want some more melamine in that tall cold glass of milk? On the bright side, Climate change fight could create many jobs. (AFP)
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Replying to: alltorque (Nov 30, 2008 9:25 am) Well at least we would be correct about you having WMD.  But I don't think we'll get around to an invasion anytime soon, as an invasion would just use too much fuel. Does anyone here seriously think that if the developed world simply goes to electric cars and sequesters CO2, that the rest of the developing world who can't afford this sort of technology, isn't just going to burn fossil fuels in any manner they can? Do you think the villager in Nigeria who's using pilfered oil products, or the Chinese who use coal to heat and cook are going to stop burning fuels as they do? No. If CO2 makes a difference in GW, then we had better spend the resources to adapt, because history shows us there is no way to control the behavior of billions of people, especially those who have little material wealth now. 7 Billion people have the inheritant desires to eat, stay warm and use fuels to travel and run machines.
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..."or the Chinese who use coal to heat and cook are going to stop burning fuels as they do? No. "... Indeed the number one foreign supplier to China for coal is... you guessed it... the US of A.!!! Since the skids for this unsung distinction were greased LONG ago by the Clinton administration; as you might remember the VP for that eight year regime was Al Gore? I could be mistaken.? VP Gore did credit himself with inventing the internet.( I didn't know VP's had THAT much free time) Does anyone even wonder what a democratic dominated House, Senate, Executive branch, state governors, etc., etc. will do about this?  As most folks do probably know, we are the figurative and literal middle east of coal. China really endeavors to be just like us !!!! Just keep in mind as Kernick suggests, we are a population of 300 M vs 2,000 M (2 B) . or 6.7 times the population! So if anything, turn on even higher the bubble machine !!! Just play more tunes with the global warming theme. One might further ask, IF solar panels are the policy, instead of coal fired electrical generation plants, how long it would take for a majority of houses to be so equipped? Keep in mind the AVERAGE Chinese family's income is less than 2,000 US per year. With the average solar panel system costing 20-30k installed here, any liberal can do the math!? |
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 01, 2008 7:40 am) Yes, we do have WMD, that's true. However, we cannot freely use the submarine-carried ones. Part of the deal for us having the system was that you guys, in the USA, would maintain control of a link in the fire control chain. So, we can only launch our "independent" system if you folks say it's O.K. to do so. Guess it's just there to make sure we don't try and take back The Colonies by force. Sorry this is off-topic but felt the need to clarify the WMD thing.
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Replying to: alltorque (Dec 01, 2008 8:11 am) link title |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2008 8:16 am) Better watch your back, "M" will send James Bond after you.
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 30, 2008 6:55 pm) Not to mention all the work for grave diggers when the eviro laws starve us all to death. 
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Was this really necessary? Or just another STATE (etc) revenue source? Just got back from a "SMOG ONLY" vendor. The test was done on a 15 year old SUV. Here are some actual measurements: Emissions Control Systems Visual Inspection/Functional Check Results, passed 18/18 tests Visual Inspection (Pass), Functional Check (Pass), Emissions Test (Pass) Idle Emission Test Results 863 rpm, (%co2-14.6) ,(%02-0.3), HC (ppm) (MAX 100, AVE 26, MEASURED 0 (ZERO) , ) CO (%) (MAX 1.00 AVE 0.00 MEAS 0.00) 2649 rpm, (%co2-14.5), (%02-0.5) , HC(ppm) ( MAX 180, AVE 11, MEAS 1) C0 (%) (MAX 1.10 AVE 0.10 MEAS 0.00) It is advertised as a RANDOM test (over a certain amount of years). I however have gotten in effect a BI ANNUAL mandatory random inspections cycle. This is the FOURTH one by the way.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 01, 2008 11:52 am) b.) just another state revenue source. I vote for b.) If your state is like mine they test all cars, but anything built before 1996 doesn't have the right computers so when they test those older cars they come back with ZERO emissions. Kind of like interrogating someone who's deaf and blind about what they saw. But they get your fee so they don't care. Makes you wonder what the real motivation about all the GW crapola is. |
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