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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 23, 2008 1:25 pm) I tell you the next 20 years are going to be very interesting in terms of the various "lifestyles" in different countries and how those will develop. Americans are going to have to learn to live differently----not worse, but different.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 23, 2008 1:13 pm) This is not to be contrary, even as it can be construed as contrary, BUT why NOT? If a V8 gets the new 2012 standard of 35 mpg or in the spirit of past exceptions 28.5 mpg?(same ratio as 27 mpg standards with defacto 22 mpg) (for example on the diesels in the news a frequent contributor posted a link to a twin turbo diesel V8 gets 45 mpg on race day and 70 mpg  65 mph)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 23, 2008 2:07 pm) So for example the following are in various stages of vilification (no particular order): ethanol, fuel cells, nat gas, bio diesel, bio mass, batteries, plug in electric, RUG, PUG, D2 E 85, air, water, solar, gee that about covers everything 
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 23, 2008 11:40 am) If you believe the more radical proponents of your position we are ALREADY doomed. CO2 levels will continue to rise for decades even if we reduce our carbon emissions to ZERO (by the way that would require that all human life dies, but who cares right). So if you really believe in global warming there is nothing we can do anyway. As to AL Gore he is a snake oil selling hypocrite who wants us to all starve while he makes MILLIONS and has a carbon footprint as large as Bigfoot.
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 23, 2008 2:32 pm)  Yes sure, I do believe that any country who refuses to address global warming as an ECONOMIC issue is doomed to ECONOMIC extinction. It goes without saying. Why? Clean tech, green tech, alternative energy, safe nuke, hydrogen power---any country that doesn't get to the front of the pack on these will suffer tremendously. How could it not? As for being "doomed" in terms of human life, nobody can make such a claim with any hard evidence, because it hasn't happened yet! We CAN see enormous ice-melting, species die-off, etc. right now right here, so that's evidence. We can't predict the future, however, we can only speculate upon it. MAKING V8s -- Oh, so what if they got 35 mpg with pushrod V8s? It's old tech and therefore not adaptable to what is transpiring. IMO it's just "fighting the last war, not the current one". A '58 Studebaker got better mileage than 90% of today's cars do right now. That didn't make it the car of the future did it?
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 23, 2008 2:54 pm) Truly the "crisis" is easy to solve. I just solved it in a previous post. There is really no will to solve it. So if the future is a car that runs on water for example) , why aren't water powered cars being produced!!??? If part of the solution is 10% diesel why aren't we doing anything to stimulate 10% diesel passenger vehicle fleets? If three percent electric plug in cars are part of the solution why was it killed? ETC, ETC, ON and ON. ..."A '58 Studebaker got better mileage than 90% of today's cars do right now. That didn't make it the car of the future did it? "... Well think of it...the system was quite alright with 90% of todays cars getting worse mileage than that, now weren't they!!?? Now if you were NOT alright with that it was slim pickens for the other 10%? Further think of it, if you had a logistical system to keep a 58 Studee going, it would be exempt to run todays' highways as an historical vehicle. How do you think celebs like Jay Leno runs his collection deep in the heart of LA LA, PC land!! Not that I am personally acquainted with him.
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The liberal media and treehuggers want us all to believe that MAN is the cause of so-called "global warming" It is a fact that the average surface-temparture of Mars has risen several degrees over the past 10 years or so (easily measured with a laser) Since it is also a fact that the Mars temparture rise is caused by the SUN being hotter... and the Earth is irradiated by the very same sun.... intelligent minds can conclude that the Earths average temparture must have gone up too. (Also because of the sun) Unless somone can convince me that MAN caused the surface-temp. of Mars to rise...then lets just forget the entire concept of MAN causing it here on Earth. Intelligent minds also know that all this "carbon" which man is supposed to be releasing into the atmosphere has ALWAYS BEEN HERE on Earth. Over the past several-million years, plants have been taking it out of the atmosphere via photosynthesis . (This is essentually where crude-oil came from to begin with) The notion that MAN is somhow releasing carbon from nowhere into the atmosphere can only be beleived by somone who was not listening in 7th grade science class. I know I am old... but I think it was some physical " law" reguarding matter cannot be created nor destroyed. SIDE NOTE: Anyone old as I can recall that the very same groups that are crying "global warming" today are the ones that claimed "Global IceAge" back in the 70s and "Hole in the Ozone" in the 80s. I cant wait to hear what they will claim after people realize that they are full of cr p with the "global warming" story.
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 23, 2008 3:59 pm) Would they argue... see human actitivity causes interplanetary global warming on MARS too!!!  
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 23, 2008 3:59 pm) Same agenda, different bottle for the snake oil. It is all about mind control of the masses. Put it on TV and the sheep will follow. |
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Replying to: bpeebles (Nov 23, 2008 3:59 pm) Perhaps Earth is tilting slightly on its axis.... THAT I would beleive. (but MAN still aint the one that caused it!!) It scare the bejesus out of me that some politicians actually think we should spend money to "solve" the "global warming" problem. They are so stupid. Why dont we also spend money to "solve" the problem of "water being wet", or "snow being cold" Either way, it is a losing propasition and I would prefer that my money was not spent on stupid stuff.
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