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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [steve_] by ruking1
Nov 22, 2008 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 8:31 am)

All I know is that even in a so called "globally warmed area" area over 22 years or 264 months time, my heating bill (nat gas) has NOT gone down !?
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Nov 22, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 22, 2008 9:12 am)

I would focus more on gas consumption that the price. Your utility commission has surely let the gas company raise their rates over the years to adjust for market costs, inflation, etc.
 
If your consumption has gone up, first I'd look at my own habits, and then start caulking.
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 22, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 8:31 am)

Global Warming was the buzzword till the weather got colder. Then the cult changed their mantra to Climate Change. That way, weather goes up or down they could blame my SUV.
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [steve_] by ruking1
Nov 22, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 9:29 am)

You might be missing the point; the VARIABLE IS changing (aka MORE therms) ? The reference to cost was a quick GRAPHIC!? All the stuff you mention has indeed been checked and enforced/ been on auto set/run . The place came with an 85% furnance, (100,000 BTU yields 85,000 BTUs of heat (23 years ago)) and to put in a 95% furnance (as inexpensive as it would be)is still not/ would not be cost effective (unless it totally craps out). I can also up the WALL'S R rating.... again nothing 100,000 on up dollars can't solve.... . As a point of reference the (nat) gas portion of the power bill was 13.54 (28 days) . So a 11% decrease would be a - minus $1.49 per month or .0532142 cents per day. Now given 3 months out of the year ( a 95%) a 1,200 new furnance would take app 201 years to B/E.
 
I could also put a solar array up (permit process makes this all but impossible) and in effect change to electric heating and "get off the grid" so to speak: 30k !!??
 
Reminds me of that joke: how many ( whatever folks you want to dis) folks does it take to change a light bulb in a house........
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [steve_] by houdini1
Nov 22, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 8:31 am)

But weather isn't climate....
 
Yes it is...but only when convenient.
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [ruking1] by ruking1
Nov 22, 2008 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 22, 2008 9:36 am)

I should add that the price includes water heater operations also.
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Nov 22, 2008 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 22, 2008 10:46 am)

Well, I'm just saying your gas rates have probably gone up over 22 years, so if nothing else changed (insulation, climate, new, more efficient combustion appliances), your bill would be going up.
 
Think how much more your bill would be if you were in GC. (global cooling)
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [steve_] by ruking1
Nov 22, 2008 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 11:15 am)

Your first sentence agrees with what I have been saying all along: the permanent trend is ever increasing prices, while keeping costs LOWER !!!!!
 
The second part brings me to the point! More/HIGHER CONSUMPTION (all things being equal) does not point to global warming!!?? And keep in mind I am located in the heart of "a test case global warming area" !!
 
According to the party line, if global warming is going on, it damn sure should be going on here!?
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Re: Can We Get a Little Global Warming Here? [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Nov 22, 2008 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 22, 2008 11:36 am)

I'm not following - your consumption may not have changed over 22 years. Who cares what the cost is?
 
And who said your local area was a global indicator? The climate may be warming or cooling; meanwhile some glaciers may be shrinking while others may be growing.
 
If more fuel use results in more emissions, then yeah, some people think that contributes to a warming climate.
 
We're having some disconnect here. Must be the frosty weather in Boise today.
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Here's some of the latest information I could find on by iluvmysephia1
Nov 22, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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the new 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0 due to America in September of 2010.
 
This appears to be the car I am firmly setting my sights on for a competent "green" automobile. I am looking to get off of gasoline and ICE's. I have learned that internet reports stating that Pininfarina-Bollore wanted to sell the B-Zero but rent out the batteries are not true. That rumour has been shot down by Bollore! Excellent. I was dreading having to pay a "rent" on the batteries. Now we can all buy our own electric cars that include the batteries and be done with it! I can't wait for this car to hit the U.S. I would love to have one of the cars coming over in 2009 but I could wait until 2010 to buy one, too. I could easily drive the 7 hour drive to Los Angeles, CA, to purchase my Pininfarina-Bollore B0. I live in SE Arizona. 20,000 to 25,000 Euro equals what in USD? About $27,000 to $32,000? Anyone know for sure? Remember that the Obama rebate would take $7,500 off of the price of this car in America. I would be a good purchaser for this car because it has solar panels and I live in Arizona where it's so sunny all of the time.
 
Total charge time is only 5 hours! Whoa! Another thing that is so impressive with this manufacturer's electric vehicles is the report of the LeBlue cars (the B0's prototype with the same electric "engines") going 220,000 km's without any problems or without any maintenance! What's not to like here?
 
I'll be anxiously awaiting the 2009 Turin Auto Show March of 2009, then. And initial sales of the B0 are to be on the Internet, eh? I'm down with that, gentlemen. Count me in on this little 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. This sounds like it's easily the smartest and the best looking all-electric car yet to market.
 

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