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oh, this baby better have Obama plan tax credits, after all, it's totally electric! It has the regenerative braking, and photovoltaic solar panels on the roof and in the front grille to re-charge it's system, too. It has a range of 153 miles, to be exact. With the photovoltaic cells doing their job I should be able to go play in Tucson, which is 80 miles NW of us here in Willcox, and still get back after going shopping and what-not there in Tucson. An Obama $7,500 rebate should be available on this pup, but, I am wondering what Pininfarina-Bollore is going to price it at. I'd say if they want more than $30,000USD for it(even with the Obama $7,500 rebate) I'm looking elsewhere. I am going to guess that they'll price it about at $22,995 MSRP, to help recoop some of their development costs. This battery pack will last 120,000 miles with no maintenance required. It is a well-thought out operation and I haven't found anything yet that would dissuade me from looking at it any further. At only 29,348 miles on my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS, it would be hard to say I need a new car any time soon, though.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 10:15 am) Basically I am also saying taxpayer tax CREDITS to buy the BIG three's miscalculations!!?? (aka F 150's, etc., etc's,). To absorb the inventory perhaps part to most of the pay packages and exit packages can be the MSRP of the products that no one is willing to buy. So for example if a biggy wig likeNardelli (old Chrysler CEO) or Waggoner (current GM)makes 6 M per year give em 6,000,000/30,000= 200 ea 30k cars they manufactured. |
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Chevy was saying that it would cost only 89 cents to re-charge their 2010 Chevy Volt. Not bad, eh? I mean, if the Volt costs 89 cents a night's charge, how could the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0 cost even a penny more? I'll bet you it costs something like 50 cents a night to re-charge my 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. Look at that, I'm starting to use the possessive ownership form in describing the little Italian import now! Grammar lessons! 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 11:17 am) ...""03 Jetta TDI 48-52 mpg = ..0578 cents per mile driven "... as economical as the above is (relative to gassers), that is literally almost 10 x (9.9365641) the (GREATER) cost. So in effect, the average driver 12,000 to 15,000 miles yearly (before the current economic crisis) would pay 70 up to 88 dollars per year for "power!?" I think you have the answer why less than .001 percent of the passenger vehicle fleet population is EV.  The only question would be: do you think the oil logistical systems would let that hook out of the mouths of oil consumers?
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that will be one thing to follow closely in the news. Just what kind of import tariff will the government put on an all-electric car like the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0? I mean, isn't that something worth looking at? $70-$88 dollars a year to power your vehicle? It's something worth lobbying for, eh? I just read here http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6300851/auto-news/pininfarina-bollore-electri- c-car-concept/index.html that the car can be charged up in a matter of hours. Have to stay tuned on charge-up time. It looks like it's gonna be faster than any other all-electric car.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 12:27 pm) "As two data point comparisons, corner store prices RUG: 2.59, D2: 2.89 04 Civic 38-42 mpg =.06475 cents per mile driven 03 Jetta TDI 48-52 mpg = ..0578 cents per mile driven " OK they LITERALLY hate diesel, and that is only because it is (per example) 11% cheaper per mile driven. They have banned it, to constantly changing the standards so it is uneconomical to come on the market with anything less than hundreds of thousands and the logistic systems still controls the number of diesels that can hit the market? |
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it's totally new concepts, actually mind-blowing, to think all-electric is mind blowing. We have been spoon-fed Big Oil for so long it's preposterous. BTW-I just found out that it will only take 5 hours to fully re-charge the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. A 25km re-charge will only take 5 minutes. What's 25km's, about 16 miles, give or take a cactus patch or two?
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 12:52 pm) |
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based on what you've read about this little car and what you already know about how things work in the U.S., do you personally feel this car has a chance to be imported here? You don't think the Obama Administration is being lobbyied hard right now by the domestic carmakers, do you? And they don't have anything near as appealing as the Pininfarina-Bollore B0, do they? Let's just patiently watch and see how this thing blows up to Smithereens. Great rock band, The Smithereens, BTW. No, what d'ya think? Does this little car stand a chance coming to the U.S. I personally feel that it does stand a very good chance. I think the Obama Administration will handle this right and not overly tariff the Italian-French made all-electric car. Penny for each of your thoughts. I think that we have to pull our heads out and think about the future a little more intelligently. We can't pollute like we have and we can't depend on foreign oil like we have. This car is great, it answers those concerns and looks to be well-thought out in every detail. It is being built with a monitoring system watching over the battery packs, and the batteries are encased in steel. They've already thought out the safety issues with a battery-powered car, like a prudent car manufacturer should. It is expected to become available in Europe, Japan and even here in the good old US of A by late 2010, starting with an initial run of 2000 vehicles. In 2011, that number is targeted to increase to 8000 units, 11,000 in 2012 and 15,000 in later years.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 1:25 pm) I do believe that Obama is beholden to the UAW as well as the other Unions in the Country. If they think it is a niche vehicle they may let it slide. I have gotten so used to disappointment with the EPA, nothing will surprise me. By contrast they let the Xebra in because it is not considered a car without 4 tires. So you can have the most unsafe vehicle on the road if it is considered a motorcycle. I drove the Xebra and I can tell you it is not a comfy quiet ride. It is about as basic as you can get. Crude would better describe it. And not cheap at $14k. |
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