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gagrice. Let's just see how the Fed.Guv-Mint handles the 2010 Mitsubishi i-MIEV and the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. These two cars are right in bounds with each other as far as dimensions...it's gonna be hard to de-interest myself in the B0 now, because of the solar panels. I would have to say the B0 has catapulted itself to the very top of my car "to-do" list now. If it prices in at around $19,995-$22,995 it will be my choice. If they ask something around $30,000, that will pop me over to the Mitsubishi i-MIEV camp to shop. Gonna be fun researching these two little pups in the coming two years. I think it will just fall in to place as far as which one to buy. But what's going to be interesting will be the mass media/mass public and mass Guv-Mint(Obama)reaction and numbness or wake-up to this car. I can just see it now..an all-electric car? I want my huge pickup with Toby Keith music blaring out...surely you don't put value on an all-electric car? New England Patriot's for ya! Power! Big engines! Dumb brains! We will tariff it at 30%(like rockylee wants)and then just see how many they will sell here in these United States. Ha-huggghhhhmmmm. Make sure your thinking caps are screwed on straight before you answer, please. 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 7:58 am) I feel the same as I do about diesel cars. IF the government agencies are truly concerned about the environment and using up all the fossil fuel, there are options. All I see is obstacles to those options. Hey, I am fine running around town in a gas guzzling car or SUV. I sure as heck am not going to squeeze into a small car to save a couple bucks worth of gas a month. Give me incentive to compromise my comfort and I will buy into it. And hybrids to me are just an overly complex solution to nothing. The Volt is a slight improvement in thinking. Only slight in my opinion. PURE EV would handle all but my vacation driving needs. I could rent except you only get crap cars in the rental pools. Unless you want to spend $200 a day for a nice ride. I usually fly and rent anyway. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 16, 2008 7:43 am) link title It would seem the ultimate strategy is to make this once "tech golden triangle" a tech SOLAR R& D and proto type manufacturing area with the same drill- world wide manufacturing (aka cheapest place to locate plants). (Goal of 25,000 new jobs) Till then, a 100k Tesla will strictly be boutique sales. For the same monies, I would druther have the new Corvette ZR-1, Carbon fiber MONSTER. |
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here's another side angle shot  The back  Interior view  Looking up front from the back  Looking down on the car from up above...dig those glorious photovoltaic cells at work...they do work in a diminished role during cloudy conditions  The obligatory "flapper" shot, nonetheless it is kind of a cool view  the front grille from the side  A better one looking up front from the back of the little car 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 8:56 am) If I missed it, what is the range? As two data point comparisons, corner store prices RUG: 2.59, D2: 2.89 04 Civic 38-42 mpg =.06475 cents per mile driven 03 Jetta TDI 48-52 mpg = ..0578 cents per mile driven Off to the other side, if we the taxpayers are to BAIL out the BIG THREE, send us tax credits to buy !!!!
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oh, this baby better have Obama plan tax credits, after all, it's totally electric! It has the regenerative braking, and photovoltaic solar panels on the roof and in the front grille to re-charge it's system, too. It has a range of 153 miles, to be exact. With the photovoltaic cells doing their job I should be able to go play in Tucson, which is 80 miles NW of us here in Willcox, and still get back after going shopping and what-not there in Tucson. An Obama $7,500 rebate should be available on this pup, but, I am wondering what Pininfarina-Bollore is going to price it at. I'd say if they want more than $30,000USD for it(even with the Obama $7,500 rebate) I'm looking elsewhere. I am going to guess that they'll price it about at $22,995 MSRP, to help recoop some of their development costs. This battery pack will last 120,000 miles with no maintenance required. It is a well-thought out operation and I haven't found anything yet that would dissuade me from looking at it any further. At only 29,348 miles on my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS, it would be hard to say I need a new car any time soon, though.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 10:15 am) Basically I am also saying taxpayer tax CREDITS to buy the BIG three's miscalculations!!?? (aka F 150's, etc., etc's,). To absorb the inventory perhaps part to most of the pay packages and exit packages can be the MSRP of the products that no one is willing to buy. So for example if a biggy wig likeNardelli (old Chrysler CEO) or Waggoner (current GM)makes 6 M per year give em 6,000,000/30,000= 200 ea 30k cars they manufactured. |
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Chevy was saying that it would cost only 89 cents to re-charge their 2010 Chevy Volt. Not bad, eh? I mean, if the Volt costs 89 cents a night's charge, how could the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0 cost even a penny more? I'll bet you it costs something like 50 cents a night to re-charge my 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. Look at that, I'm starting to use the possessive ownership form in describing the little Italian import now! Grammar lessons! 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 11:17 am) ...""03 Jetta TDI 48-52 mpg = ..0578 cents per mile driven "... as economical as the above is (relative to gassers), that is literally almost 10 x (9.9365641) the (GREATER) cost. So in effect, the average driver 12,000 to 15,000 miles yearly (before the current economic crisis) would pay 70 up to 88 dollars per year for "power!?" I think you have the answer why less than .001 percent of the passenger vehicle fleet population is EV.  The only question would be: do you think the oil logistical systems would let that hook out of the mouths of oil consumers?
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