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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 8:05 pm) Resources are probably a problem for Hansen because he works for the current administration.  The incorrect figures came from NOAA, but the GISS should have cross-checked them. GISS has updated the graphs; maybe you can figure out what they say and let me know. 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 15, 2008 8:28 pm) 2008-11-12: It seems that one of the sources sent September data rather than October data. Corrected GHCN files were created by NOAA. Due to network maintenance, we were only able to download our basic file late today. We redid the analysis - thanks to the many people who noticed and informed us of that problem. Why do we pay these guys to give US accurate results, when they are continually being caught giving false information? I don't believe these are honest mistakes. I believe it is a case of shuffling data to create a favorable end result for the GW theorists. I just would like to see honest data and debate with NO politicians drawing conclusions. |
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but I can't wait to read larsb's response(s) to your posts above.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 6:13 am) I am getting a bit excited about your i-MIEV coming to America. I think the Feds will screw it up like they did the Smart. I don't know about your situation wanting a vehicle for crossing the desert to shop in Tucson. That may be a real push for any EV. To me it is strictly a commuter for less than 60 miles round trip. You have to expect in any Urban location to be sitting with the AC keeping you cool. That is the big unknown with the EVs. Will Congress back down on the Tax Credit if they see them all going to foreign built cars? From the earmark thrown into the Bailout it was obvious they only thought of the Volt to help GM out of the mess they have gotten themselves into. A $40k Volt for running errands would not tempt me in the least. |
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a viable alternative to the Chevy Volt. This car is called the Pininfarina-Bollore B0. Have you heard of it yet? I am truly interested in this car, as well as Mitsubishi's i-MIEV for my next rig.  Pininfarina B0 is a 4-person 4-door compact electric car, with a maximum speed (electronically limited) of 130 km / h. Batteries last for up to 250 km and located at the bottom of the platform between the two axles, lowering the center of gravity machine. Roof and hood have solar cells that will supply energy to electrical equipment. Next week, car will be presented to the French president Nicolas Sarkozy, who is a personal friend of Bolore. Sales of new models will begin in mid-2009. Planned output is 10 thousand units per year. This is an Italian bird. Exporting to the U.S. does not seem to be firmly in their radar yet, though they have mentioned it. If Pininfarina-Bollore would export this car to the U.S. and price it for around $19,995, and we could use our $7,500 Obama rebates on it I'd cling to it like a warm, raspberry donut and a tall mug of Taster's Choice with Hazelnut creamer and 4 scoops of sugar. What'd'ya think, San Diego dude? Hey, I just found some more juicy news on this little pup. Pininfarina and Bollore have partnered up to build an electric car that will go into production and be available in the U.S. in late 2010. The vehicle is called the B0 and it made its debut at the Paris Motor Show this week. The car is an automatic hatchback four-seater with four doors. Its powered by an electric motor and a lithium polymer battery that’s made by Bollore. This car can travel 153 miles on a full charge and it has a top speed of 80-mph. The car can go from 0-37-mph in 6.3 seconds. But a really cool feature the vehicle has are the solar panels on its roof and hood that help recharge and keep the car’s power. Pininfarina states that the battery has a lifespan of 125,000 miles and doesn't need any maintenance. Pricing info hasn’t been released yet but as soon as we know we’ll pass the info on to you. http://www.dubdaily.com/?p=4914 Very, very cool news. So, there you have it. This little pup is being built to compete with Mitsubishi's i-MIEV directly. Right down to the same availability time in the U.S., late 2010. Actually, I am not certain that Mitsubishi is saying "late" 2010, just that they are saying "2010" for the i-MIEV. These are the two finalists vying for my potential purchase in 2010. I would probably get a decent trade-in value on my '08 Lancer GTS, or, just keep the '08 Lancer GTS for trips to Tucson, Phoenix, and on. If these cars are the right price I will lobby to my wife as one proposal to keep the '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS and buy an i-MIEV or B0. But if they get over $20,000 it will need to be a direct trade-in for an i-MIEV or B0. Exciting news-Pininfarina is going to export the little B0 to the U.S.! Whoo-hoo! 
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I could probably make the trip from Willcox to Tucson(80 miles one way)and still make it back, even though it exceeds this car's total range capacity. Know why? You guessed it! It's so sunny around here, even in the winter, that my Pininfarina-Bollore B0's motor system would re-charge as I drive, or, even as my B0 sits outside a Tucson movie theater, concert hall or shopping center. I will attempt to learn more as time goes on, but I'll bet you dollars to glazed Winchell's donuts that that will be the case. I'll find out more about the solar panels and how strongly they will re-charge the system. It's nice to find out so early what my next car will probably no doubt be. I mean, two years till it gets here, one can never be too certain what new car he should buy next, now can he?
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 6:47 am) That to me is much more exciting than the Volt for twice the price. My take is GM has lost site of the future and wants US to support their failed venture. With a $20k price for a little 4 passenger runabout and a $7500 tax credit the Feds should be all over these EVs like stink on doo doo. Offer some of that bailout money to establish the automakers of the 21st century, instead of throwing money at the losers from the last century. This of course is predicated on the assumption that Congress and the Federal agencies are truly interested in weaning US off of fossil fuel. I am very skeptical. Even CA with all its rhetoric has done NOTHING to encourage a practical EVs. All pie in the sky Tesla crap. The people do not need a $100k EV sports car with 6000 AA time bombs on board. The BO and the i-MIEV will be what we need.
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gagrice. Let's just see how the Fed.Guv-Mint handles the 2010 Mitsubishi i-MIEV and the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. These two cars are right in bounds with each other as far as dimensions...it's gonna be hard to de-interest myself in the B0 now, because of the solar panels. I would have to say the B0 has catapulted itself to the very top of my car "to-do" list now. If it prices in at around $19,995-$22,995 it will be my choice. If they ask something around $30,000, that will pop me over to the Mitsubishi i-MIEV camp to shop. Gonna be fun researching these two little pups in the coming two years. I think it will just fall in to place as far as which one to buy. But what's going to be interesting will be the mass media/mass public and mass Guv-Mint(Obama)reaction and numbness or wake-up to this car. I can just see it now..an all-electric car? I want my huge pickup with Toby Keith music blaring out...surely you don't put value on an all-electric car? New England Patriot's for ya! Power! Big engines! Dumb brains! We will tariff it at 30%(like rockylee wants)and then just see how many they will sell here in these United States. Ha-huggghhhhmmmm. Make sure your thinking caps are screwed on straight before you answer, please. 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 7:58 am) I feel the same as I do about diesel cars. IF the government agencies are truly concerned about the environment and using up all the fossil fuel, there are options. All I see is obstacles to those options. Hey, I am fine running around town in a gas guzzling car or SUV. I sure as heck am not going to squeeze into a small car to save a couple bucks worth of gas a month. Give me incentive to compromise my comfort and I will buy into it. And hybrids to me are just an overly complex solution to nothing. The Volt is a slight improvement in thinking. Only slight in my opinion. PURE EV would handle all but my vacation driving needs. I could rent except you only get crap cars in the rental pools. Unless you want to spend $200 a day for a nice ride. I usually fly and rent anyway. |
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