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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: Funny [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 15, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 15, 2008 10:21 am)

due to smog-related deaths, work and school absences, emergency room visits,
 
I would be interested to see how that compares to the deaths and expenses relating to obesity and type 2 diabetes caused by processed foods. I would think that is a MUCH more serious problem than air quality.
 
600,000 Americans dying prematurely each year from obesity, lack of exercise, and smoking.
 
We know smoking has gone way down so obesity is the major health issue we face. So many other issues get pushed to the forefront to protect the mega ag industry.
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Re: Funny [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Nov 15, 2008 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:36 am)

I don't think you can just cherry pick one problem and slack off on the rest. Having a "year of the sea" is all well and good for publicizing problems but you can't divert all the funding to ocean problems.
 
There does seem to be good evidence tying in health issues with vehicle exhaust, and (mostly) affordable remedies appear to be available. And it also seems that lots of those remedies happen to tie in nicely with current thinking on global warming "solutions."
 
I think I just used up my daily allotment of weasel words in just one post.
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Re: Funny [gagrice] by ruking1
Nov 15, 2008 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:36 am)

I have no link, but I heard in passing, smoking (active not passive) is responsible for 400,000 deaths per year. The latest per year USA motality is 1..4M. Diabetes (diet related I am sure) is considered epidemic.
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Re: Funny [steve_] by gagrice
Nov 15, 2008 (10:50 am)
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I don't think it is the cars that are the issue. In CA it is directly related to Shipping and trucking. Most of the cars sold today have cleaner exhaust than the air going in. It has reached to point of diminishing returns. People in Phoenix are now having horrible respiratory problems and much is dust and pollen in the air. Cars are an easy target and a way to extort money from the working man.
 
Just as all the carbon credit crappola will be paid by you and I the working stiffs. Higher utility bills etc.
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Re: Funny [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Nov 15, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:50 am)

Lots of that dust is kicked into the air by cars. We have a lot more street cleaning going on here than when I first moved to Boise 8 years ago.
 
Some sites say there are ~250 million cars on the road in the US (and every one seems to be on the road at 5 pm). That does make them an easy target.
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I agree... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 15, 2008 (10:59 am)
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it's dust and pollen and smoking. As a Respiratory Therapist it pains me to see fellow workmates head out and smoke. Talk about not really getting the message in to the noggin, and then putting the wrong impression back out to others.
 
Pollution doesn't help but I have not heard that one before, gagrice, that most cars today put out cleaner air than they take in.
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Re: Funny [gagrice] by ruking1
Nov 15, 2008 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:50 am)

Indeed I think before anyone moves anywhere, one has to assess the local, state, and feds propensity to enact wacko policies.
 
For example years ago, I did the research in preparation of moving to Incline Village, NV. The huge red flag was construction was mandated to be done as close to trees (dying or otherwise) Indeed some folks have even made living (probably now dead) trees PART of the house. This of course goes against those very same agencies whose regulations require "adequate" fire breaks and common sense. Indeed if you cut down a tree on your own property even despite emergency circumstances: aka sans proper permits, you could be sent to jail on felony charges. Needless to say this (for me) was a deal breaker.
 
Fast forward to the 2008/2009 season, the whole north Tahoe area had since had diseases affecting living trees. This literally has decimated the tree population en mass and most dead trees are.... still standing.
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Re: I agree... [iluvmysephia1] by ruking1
Nov 15, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 15, 2008 10:59 am)

Most will probably ignore the absolutely obvious that dust and pollen are NATURAL!!!??? Indeed if one is susceptible, you need to create and stay in an "artificial" environment.
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Re: I agree... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Nov 15, 2008 (11:20 am)
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that most cars today put out cleaner air than they take in
 
That is probably limited to PZEV cars and depending what part of So CA you live in. I imagine a diesel truck cleans the air it breaths in San Bernardino... Though we were up there a couple weeks ago and could see the mountains. That was a real treat you rarely see in that smog trap of a city.
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Re: I agree... [ruking1] by gagrice
Nov 15, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 15, 2008 11:11 am)

Actually the Pollen in Phoenix is a result of major crop growers. It was a very healthy climate until they started planting stuff out there. It is a CO2 sink. That should be worth something.

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