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Automotive News & Views Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?
6790 messages, Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 7:44 PM
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 13, 2008 2:52 pm) The solar activity and our orbit are the main controls on our climate. All energy on Earth has its origin in the Sun, and its gravitational energy to in the first place form the planets. The Sun provides the main gravitational energy of keeping the Earth orbiting, and of the Earth rotating. The Sun provides all the solar energy which over past millenium allowed the materials to grow and then be converted into our stores of NG, oil, and coal. It is now the sun that provides the Earth with the energy to stay on average 500F warmer than the void of space. Without the sun keeping that warmth, or even +450F when we swing to a wider orbit this planet would be frozen solid in the billions of years without it. The sun was, is, and will be the main control of what happens on Earth. I would prefer an Earth with an average temperature of 75F.
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 14, 2008 7:22 am) Since the current average temperature of earth is 59F going up to 75F would be quite a jump. Better start driving a couple million SUVs. 
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Funny how you haven't heard a peek from the environmental side at how much better the air and so called "global warming" has become since we have lessen fuel consumption, lessen new car sales from 16-16.5 M a year, to be on track for 10.5 M in 2009. Lessen consumerism. .... etc etc.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 15, 2008 10:00 am) Saw this the other day: Tackle air quality and you tackle health care too. "California alone, which has the nation's worst air quality, according to the American Lung Association, loses $28 billion each year due to smog-related deaths, work and school absences, emergency room visits, and asthma attacks and other respiratory illnesses, says a new study by Cal State Fullerton. We need a healthier economy, and that can be defined in more ways than one. Better air quality standards and a bailout package for the auto industry with caveats on fuel efficiency can reshape America. Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air."
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 15, 2008 10:21 am)  The reason CA has these so called "uncontrollable /untame able" disasters like the current burning of Monteceito, CA and habitually Malibu, CA , are unnatural CA policies of stopping natural wild fires: ergo the various fuels pile/s up to "disaster levels." LIterally anything from a very natural lightning strike to a BBQ ember can set off a potential disaster. Of course, you are enjoined from removing this stuff. Getting permits to remove this stuff and or control burns are literally considered environmentally unsound and literally impossble... So the consequences are..... almost predictable. The only question is the WHEN probability. .
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 15, 2008 10:21 am) I would be interested to see how that compares to the deaths and expenses relating to obesity and type 2 diabetes caused by processed foods. I would think that is a MUCH more serious problem than air quality. 600,000 Americans dying prematurely each year from obesity, lack of exercise, and smoking. We know smoking has gone way down so obesity is the major health issue we face. So many other issues get pushed to the forefront to protect the mega ag industry. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:36 am) There does seem to be good evidence tying in health issues with vehicle exhaust, and (mostly) affordable remedies appear to be available. And it also seems that lots of those remedies happen to tie in nicely with current thinking on global warming "solutions." I think I just used up my daily allotment of weasel words in just one post. 
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:36 am) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 15, 2008 10:43 am) Just as all the carbon credit crappola will be paid by you and I the working stiffs. Higher utility bills etc.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2008 10:50 am) Some sites say there are ~250 million cars on the road in the US (and every one seems to be on the road at 5 pm). That does make them an easy target. |
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