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#4075 of 6945 Re: Coming probably sooner than later according to VP elect [steve_] by gagrice Nov 12, 2008 (1:36 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 12, 2008 1:33 pm) All I see is a story about Iran emitting a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere
#4076 of 6945 Re: Coming probably sooner than later according to VP elect [steve_] by ruking1 Nov 12, 2008 (1:37 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 12, 2008 1:33 pm) NO ! It is not a story tie in. Biden's concept was PRE election. The link is just an interesting likely example. Replies to this message: steve_ (Nov 12, 2008 1:40 pm) ruking1 (Nov 12, 2008 1:44 pm)
#4077 of 6945 Re: Coming probably sooner than later according to VP elect [ruking1] by steve_ HOST Nov 12, 2008 (1:40 pm)
Replying to: ruking1 (Nov 12, 2008 1:37 pm) Sorry, I'm not following how a missile defense story ties in with autos and GW. My doc made me swear off afternoon coffee, so it's probably not going to get any clearer either. Replies to this message: ruking1 (Nov 12, 2008 1:44 pm)
#4078 of 6945 Re: Coming probably sooner than later according to VP elect [steve_] by ruking1 Nov 12, 2008 (1:44 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Nov 12, 2008 1:40 pm) Directly it is probably peripheral: albeit HUGE red flags for those that follow these things. But it all depends on how you see the recent barrel of oil prices of 147. per vs projections of going to 50 all in very very short periods of time. Indeed it could drop below 50 literally overnight! Bloomberg has dated Brent spot 51.22   link title   If I am off topic I will stop. But in the meantime, let me put something out there. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was in TALL cotton with per barrel prices 147, what would you think is happening when the price you get is now -66% ? Keep in mind it (the price drop) has NOT triggered more demand !!! Indeed it has triggered DECREASED demand. Funny how that reality shoots holes in the liberal notion that the ONLY way to get down oil consumption is to raise prices!!?? Indeed have the auto unions ever struck to make management make cars American consumers will actually buy?
#4079 of 6945 Well the Pundits have said the B word... by ruking1 Nov 13, 2008 (7:42 am)
It is all but in the bag, but BIG gas guzzling car/truck makers will be BAILED OUT ! (by the NEW administration, house, senate,)
#4080 of 6945 CNBC features energy traders... by ruking1 Nov 13, 2008 (8:03 am)
who predict WAY less demand AND at 1.70 per gal RUG !!!
#4081 of 6945 Thought I'd get this here before Gary posted it....:) by larsb Nov 13, 2008 (2:52 pm)
Laugh-Out-Loud Funny Stuff   Scheduled shifts in Earth's orbit should plunge the planet into an enduring Ice Age thousands of years from now but the event will probably be averted because of man-made greenhouse gases, scientists said Wednesday. They cautioned, though, that this news is not an argument in favour of global warming, which is driving imminent and potentially far-reaching damage to the climate system. Replies to this message: kernick (Nov 14, 2008 7:22 am) oldfarmer50 (Nov 15, 2008 4:48 am)
#4082 of 6945 Re: global temperature changes [oldharry] by genetilby Nov 13, 2008 (3:06 pm)
Replying to: oldharry (Nov 05, 2006 7:44 pm) I completely agree, I heard some discussion on the radio last week about the glaciers in Alaska actually gaining mass over the past few years. I agree that we all need to do our part to take care of the planet that we live on but the global warming agenda has become an issue that our government is throwing billions and billions or OUR DOLLARS at with no scientific proof that it is going to solve any global warming issue at all...if there is an issue.
#4083 of 6945 Re: Thought I'd get this here before Gary posted it....:) [larsb] by kernick Nov 14, 2008 (7:22 am)
Replying to: larsb (Nov 13, 2008 2:52 pm) The article about the orbit of the Earth and the amount of solar radiation, and whether we have a climate like now or a Snow-Ball Earth, is exactly what I was referring to a couple of weeks ago.   The solar activity and our orbit are the main controls on our climate. All energy on Earth has its origin in the Sun, and its gravitational energy to in the first place form the planets. The Sun provides the main gravitational energy of keeping the Earth orbiting, and of the Earth rotating. The Sun provides all the solar energy which over past millenium allowed the materials to grow and then be converted into our stores of NG, oil, and coal. It is now the sun that provides the Earth with the energy to stay on average 500F warmer than the void of space. Without the sun keeping that warmth, or even +450F when we swing to a wider orbit this planet would be frozen solid in the billions of years without it.   The sun was, is, and will be the main control of what happens on Earth. I would prefer an Earth with an average temperature of 75F. Replies to this message: oldfarmer50 (Nov 15, 2008 4:48 am)
#4084 of 6945 Re: Thought I'd get this here before Gary posted it....:) [kernick] by oldfarmer50 Nov 15, 2008 (4:48 am)
Replying to: kernick (Nov 14, 2008 7:22 am) "...I would prefer an Earth with an average temperature of 75F..."   Since the current average temperature of earth is 59F going up to 75F would be quite a jump. Better start driving a couple million SUVs.

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