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Replying to: kernick (Nov 03, 2008 6:05 am) Right tool, right job. Like, say, commuting in a gas miser and saving the dually for towing the horses to the trailhead on the weekend.
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2008 6:28 am) What? If I use 20W CFC + 80W from a heater is more efficient than a 100W incandescent? 100 is not < 100 ! Law of Conservation of Energy, my friend. 100W is 100W no matter how it's obtained and used. Whether your coffee pot, iron, light bulb ... is drawing the energy which is all converted into heat (kinetic energy is also converted to heat), it's the same. The added expense of CFC's and extra heaters do not make sense during heating season, when compared to the inexpensive, great heating incandescent.
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 03, 2008 7:34 am) The bulb could be in a can in the ceiling, mostly heating your attic. The bulb could be in a lamp near a wall, and could induce thermal conduction away from the place where you want the heat to be (hot spot on a wall, conduction through the wall, increasing heat loss of the room). Where's Tidester this morning?  Good discussion of the question here: Physics Forum
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Replying to: sidious6688 (Nov 02, 2008 6:02 pm) I know they are dangerous. I have had two pop the first time they were turned on. I took them back for exchange. I handle with light leather gloves. I also get way back when I turn them on the first time. Mercury is nasty stuff. It will present problems in the future for disposal.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 03, 2008 9:58 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 02, 2008 5:48 pm) Ahh, a man after my own heart. The problem I have found with CFLs is that they don't reach peak brightness as quickly as the old bulbs. You end up fumbling around in twilight for a few minutes while the bulbs ramp up. I worry that when the commies invade I'll have trouble finding my gun. 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 03, 2008 7:49 am) I got my little sister's Easy-Bake Oven right here that says different. A non-CFL bulb IS in effect a radiant heater because most of the radiation it gives off is infrared waves (heat). That's the reason it's not so good as a light source, most of the energy inputs make heat, not light. Because a light bulb does emit light it is not QUITE as good as a purpose built radiant heater which has a fan to circulate the warm air. So you are both right...and both off topic. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 03, 2008 4:19 pm) Actually, that's not true for EVERY SINGLE CFL out there. It is true for most though. Just something to adapt to in your life, like higher and then lower gas prices. There are models which come to full power almost instantly. See this page for a Popular Mechanics lab test rundown: CFLs tested And as far as the danger of breaking one? CFLs contain less only 1% of the mercury found in the average home thermometer.
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There's an elephant in global warming's living room that few in the mainstream media want to talk about: the creators of the carbon credit scheme are the ones cashing in on it. The two cherub like choirboys singing loudest in the Holier Than Thou Global Warming Cathedral are Maurice Strong and Al Gore. This duo has done more than anyone else to advance the alarmism of man-made global warming. With little media monitoring, both Strong and Gore are cashing in on the lucrative cottage industry known as man-made global warming. Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, Wikipedia-described as "the world's first and North America's only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil." Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself--the Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C." of which he is both chairman and founding partner. To hear the saving-the-earth singsong of this dynamic duo, even the feather light petals of cherry blossoms in Washington leave a bigger carbon footprint. It's a strange global warming partnership that Strong and Gore have, but it's one that's working. Strong is the silent partner, a man whose name often draws a blank in the Washington cocktail circuit. Even though a former Secretary General of the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (the much hyped Rio Earth Summit) and Under-Secretary General of the United Nations in the days of a beleaguered Kofi Annan, the Canadian born Strong is little known in the United States. That's because he spends most of his time in China where he works to make the communist country the world's next superpower. The nondescript Strong, nonetheless is big cheese in the world of climate change, and is one of the main architects of the coming-your-way-soon Kyoto Protocol. The tawdry tale of the top two global warming gurus in the business world goes all the way back to Earth Day, April 17, 1995 when the future author of An Inconvenient Truth traveled to Fall River, Massachusetts, to deliver a green sermon at the headquarters of Molten Metal Technology Inc. (MMTI). MMTI was a firm that proclaimed to have invented a process for recycling metals from waste.Gore praised the Molten Metal firm as a pioneer in the kind of innovative technology that can save the environment, and make money for investors at the same time. "Gore left a few facts out of his speech that day. First, the firm was run by Strong and a group of Gore intimates, including Peter Knight, the firm's registered lobbyist, and Gore's former top Senate aide," wrote EIR. "Second, the company had received more than $25 million in U.S. Department of energy (DOE) research and development grants, but had failed to prove that the technology worked on a commercial scale. The company would go on to receive another $8 million in federal taxpayers' cash, at that point, its only source of revenue. "With Al Gore's Earth Day as a Wall Street calling card, Molten Metal's stock value soared to $35 a share, a range it maintained through October 1996. But along the way, DOE scientists had balked at further funding. When, in March 1996, corporate officers concluded that the federal cash cow was about to run dry, they took action: Between that date and October 1996, seven corporate officers--including Maurice Strong--sold off $15.3 million in personal shares in the company, at top market value. On Oct. 20, 1996--a Sunday--the company issued a press release, announcing for the first time, that DOE funding would be vastly scaled back, and reported the bad news on a conference call with stockbrokers. "On Monday, the stock plunged by 49%, soon landing at $5 a share.By early 1997, furious stockholders had filed a class action suit against the company and its directors. Ironically, one of the class action lawyers had tangled with Maurice Strong in another insider trading case, involving a Swiss company called AZL Resources, chaired by Strong, who was also a lead shareholder. The AZL case closely mirrored Molten Metal, and in the end, Strong and the other AZL partners agreed to pay $5 million to dodge a jury verdict, when eyewitness evidence surfaced of Strong's role in scamming the value of the company stock up into the stratosphere, before selling it off. In 1997, Strong went on to accept from Tongsun Park, the Korean man found guilty of illegally acting as an Iraqi agent, $1 million from Saddam Hussein, which was invested in Cordex Petroleum Inc., a company he owned with his son, Fred. http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031307.htm You might conclude that these two are men of many scams.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 04, 2008 6:54 am) Now Obama is looking at Gore as his Energy Czar. What a corrupt government we have. And it is getting worse by the day.
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