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Re: Two takes [steve_] by alltorque
Oct 21, 2008 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 5:57 am)

Getting to the "Nothing surprises me" stage now; especially where the U.K. Government is concerned.
 
On a lighter note..............today saw the commissioning of Britains latest off-shore wind turbine farm, (just off my local coastline). This now makes Britain the largest generator of electricity from offshore wind turbines. We just overtook Denmark. Just when I thought we were doing something right, they announced that the minister responsible would be going to see the new installation by helicopter. It's only a short trip by boat for heaven's sake. Why burn all that kerosine ? Maybe the fact that we don't really have a Royal Navy or a fishing fleet, any more, might explain it. Still, yippee for the turbines.
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 5:57 am)

Disposable diapers have been a popular target of greenies for a long time. Used to be about biodegradability and landfill space, yada yada. As often happens, environmentalist took too narrow a view of the issue. I had to laugh that now there is some concern over their contribution to global warming. Some of this stuff is just too weird.
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 6:35 am)

Well, just being aware that doing stuff has consequences is a big part of the battle, even if it takes a few decades to reach a consensus about what the right thing to do is (or to rethink that consensus - think Smokey the Bear).
 
Last summer friends were here and we all went to the grocery and I forgot my cloth bags (no doubt loaded with pesticide and herbicide residue, but that's another story....). Anyway, I put my groceries in plastic and got chastised for not using paper bags. I'm like, dude, you and your wife own four cars and you want to lecture me about plastic/paper? (I'm not convinced that paper is better anyway).
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 6:40 am)

It does get fun sometimes. And yes, it can take time for the whole picture to become clear.
 
If you into the reusable bags, check these out. Chico Bag. They're a bit more expensive, but I like the way they store easily. Most of the reusable bags from stores tend to be bulky in any reasonable quantity.
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 6:54 am)

I've learned to leave mine in the cars, but yeah, they are too bulky for a pocket. But I already have a dozen bags - a few I purchased at a yard sale, but most of them were freebies from trade shows. I saved .24 cents just the other day with the bag credit (6 cents a bag).
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by kernick
Oct 21, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 6:40 am)

Anyway, I put my groceries in plastic and got chastised for not using paper bags.
 
Next time someone gives you guff about that - remind them a tree was cutdown with a diesel machine, it was hauled on a truck, the factory used harsh chemicals to process the pulp into paper (ever see all the energy a paper plant uses? - the steam being emitted).
 
Of course you could counter by asking "How many refills do you get out an egg-carton before it falls apart?"
 
BTW - I know this is weather and not climate, but we're expecting snow flurries tonight, and a high of about 40F tomorrow. Since this is rather cold and I don't see it being any warmer until mid-April next year, I again pray for that arctic or Greenland warming to come this way.
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Re: Two takes [kernick] by oldfarmer50
Oct 21, 2008 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Oct 21, 2008 12:30 pm)

"...Anyway, I put my groceries in a plastic bag and got chastised for not using paper bags..."
 
"...Next time someone gives you guff about that..."
 
Next time someone gives you guff about that haul off and smack them right in the mouth. Then tell them to "stick THAT in your paper bag".
 
Who the hell are these people who want to lecture you on how to run your life as if you are too stupid to make your own choices. Usually they are just puppeting some BS given to them by someone running an adgenda. "Useful Fools" I think Stalin called them.
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Re: Two takes [oldfarmer50] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Oct 21, 2008 2:47 pm)

Oh relax, these are great friends of mine and we jabber about politics and stuff all the time. They just think paper is better than plastic and I just pointed out that there's more to the story than first glance may indicate.
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Al Gore has nerve by gagrice
Oct 23, 2008 (6:43 am)
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Temperature for speech breaks 125 year old record for low temperature.
 
Dear Members of the Harvard Community,
 
Although today's weather will hardly remind us of the serious problem that is global warming, today's event - the Harvard Sustainability Celebration, with a keynote address by former Vice President Al Gore - will go on, as scheduled, in Tercentenary Theatre with a program beginning at 4 p.m. We very much hope that you will attend and enjoy the festivities.
 
Starting at 3 p.m., we will be serving hot cider and soup to keep everyone warm; please dress for our changeable New England weather. Henry Longfellow, onetime Harvard professor and longtime Cantabrigian, once remarked, "The best thing one can do when it's raining is to let it rain." We sincerely hope that, this afternoon, it won't rain. But even if it does, Harvard celebrates Sustainability with spirits undampened.
 
Sincerely,
 
The Sustainability Celebration Committee
 
Office of the President
http://www.green.harvard.edu/
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Re: Al Gore has nerve [gagrice] by ruking1
Oct 23, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 23, 2008 6:43 am)

I went to a 2003 graduation at Brown University (Rhode Island). The whole time I was there it was cold beyond belief! It even had record cold rains on the very day of the event. It literally rained all day and all night. This was LATE MAY !!! Looks like NE can still use more.... regional global warming. They sure as hell gooble up literally shiploads of heating oil and other winter petro products.

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