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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Two takes by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (5:34 am)
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First is an article. This made me chuckle. Seems the British government paid for a study of the carbon footprints of disposable and regular cloth diapers. (that's almost funny enough all by itself) The study found that regular cloth diapers had a larger carbon footprint than disposables. Whoops! Not exactly what they wanted to hear. So, now government officials have instructed civil servants to not talk about the study and take a "defensive" stance on the study's findings. What a hoot.
 
Blow to image of ‘green’ reusable nappy
 
Second is a blog entry. Mentions many of the arguments that refute anthropogenic GW and much of the polemic surrounding the issue. The interesting point is an assertion that in the very recent, average global temp has actually gone down giving up most of the recent warming, so we may be in for an extended cooling period. The comments that follow the entry are fun as well.
 
Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof
 
Enjoy!
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by ruking1
Oct 21, 2008 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 5:34 am)

Indeed I have also read in passing the manufacturing of computers, TV's, and other electronic products are more than highly pollutive!
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 5:34 am)

I remember reading about the cloth/disposable controversy 25 years ago and I don't even have kids (disposable diapers were washing up on the beaches of Nome back then raising a stink).
 
It's like coffee cups - things aren't always as they seem. Ceramic mugs take more energy and resources to make and clean than disposable Styrofoam, at least per one older study. But drinking coffee isn't green anyway.
 
Nothing is as simple as it seems on the surface.
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by alltorque
Oct 21, 2008 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 5:57 am)

Getting to the "Nothing surprises me" stage now; especially where the U.K. Government is concerned.
 
On a lighter note..............today saw the commissioning of Britains latest off-shore wind turbine farm, (just off my local coastline). This now makes Britain the largest generator of electricity from offshore wind turbines. We just overtook Denmark. Just when I thought we were doing something right, they announced that the minister responsible would be going to see the new installation by helicopter. It's only a short trip by boat for heaven's sake. Why burn all that kerosine ? Maybe the fact that we don't really have a Royal Navy or a fishing fleet, any more, might explain it. Still, yippee for the turbines.
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 5:57 am)

Disposable diapers have been a popular target of greenies for a long time. Used to be about biodegradability and landfill space, yada yada. As often happens, environmentalist took too narrow a view of the issue. I had to laugh that now there is some concern over their contribution to global warming. Some of this stuff is just too weird.
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 6:35 am)

Well, just being aware that doing stuff has consequences is a big part of the battle, even if it takes a few decades to reach a consensus about what the right thing to do is (or to rethink that consensus - think Smokey the Bear).
 
Last summer friends were here and we all went to the grocery and I forgot my cloth bags (no doubt loaded with pesticide and herbicide residue, but that's another story....). Anyway, I put my groceries in plastic and got chastised for not using paper bags. I'm like, dude, you and your wife own four cars and you want to lecture me about plastic/paper? (I'm not convinced that paper is better anyway).
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 6:40 am)

It does get fun sometimes. And yes, it can take time for the whole picture to become clear.
 
If you into the reusable bags, check these out. Chico Bag. They're a bit more expensive, but I like the way they store easily. Most of the reusable bags from stores tend to be bulky in any reasonable quantity.
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 6:54 am)

I've learned to leave mine in the cars, but yeah, they are too bulky for a pocket. But I already have a dozen bags - a few I purchased at a yard sale, but most of them were freebies from trade shows. I saved .24 cents just the other day with the bag credit (6 cents a bag).
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by kernick
Oct 21, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 6:40 am)

Anyway, I put my groceries in plastic and got chastised for not using paper bags.
 
Next time someone gives you guff about that - remind them a tree was cutdown with a diesel machine, it was hauled on a truck, the factory used harsh chemicals to process the pulp into paper (ever see all the energy a paper plant uses? - the steam being emitted).
 
Of course you could counter by asking "How many refills do you get out an egg-carton before it falls apart?"
 
BTW - I know this is weather and not climate, but we're expecting snow flurries tonight, and a high of about 40F tomorrow. Since this is rather cold and I don't see it being any warmer until mid-April next year, I again pray for that arctic or Greenland warming to come this way.
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Re: Two takes [kernick] by oldfarmer50
Oct 21, 2008 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Oct 21, 2008 12:30 pm)

"...Anyway, I put my groceries in a plastic bag and got chastised for not using paper bags..."
 
"...Next time someone gives you guff about that..."
 
Next time someone gives you guff about that haul off and smack them right in the mouth. Then tell them to "stick THAT in your paper bag".
 
Who the hell are these people who want to lecture you on how to run your life as if you are too stupid to make your own choices. Usually they are just puppeting some BS given to them by someone running an adgenda. "Useful Fools" I think Stalin called them.

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