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Re: Alaska glaciers grew this year, thanks to colder weather [avalon02wh] by ruking1
Oct 19, 2008 (2:03 pm)
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Oct 19, 2008 2:00 pm)

..."The MTBE issue was a good example of how the Air Quality folks at EPA pushed a bit to hard on the oxygenates without understanding the water quality ramifications. "...
 
The first part of your sentence is true, the second part is not. They knew fully. They just neg dec'ed it. . All you need do is look at the public record on the subject.
 
..."More on topic: Cooling climate ‘consensus’ of 1970s never was"...
 
Just as there are no warming consensus (operatively) in 2000's.
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What is hidden in plain sight... by ruking1
Oct 20, 2008 (11:01 am)
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often goes almost totally unnoticed!!
 
Isn't it interesting that the environmental activist concept that boosting the price of a barrel of oil brings down use? Indeed doing what they advocate has not only increased the prices but actually increased year over year growth (i.e.,104% to 106 %)
 
What has cut the percentage of growth (rather dramatically I might observe) year over year (i.e., 104 to 102%) has actually been a DECREASE (DIRECT opposite if one continues to overlook the blantantly obvious) in the price of a barrel of oil (147 per barrel to current levels 74/75).
 
OPEC have declared EMERGENCY meetings for they fear it (not cutting production aka price of a barrel of oil) will start the price of a barrel of oil to further SLIDE ( to 50/55!!!!????)
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Two takes by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (5:34 am)
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First is an article. This made me chuckle. Seems the British government paid for a study of the carbon footprints of disposable and regular cloth diapers. (that's almost funny enough all by itself) The study found that regular cloth diapers had a larger carbon footprint than disposables. Whoops! Not exactly what they wanted to hear. So, now government officials have instructed civil servants to not talk about the study and take a "defensive" stance on the study's findings. What a hoot.
 
Blow to image of ‘green’ reusable nappy
 
Second is a blog entry. Mentions many of the arguments that refute anthropogenic GW and much of the polemic surrounding the issue. The interesting point is an assertion that in the very recent, average global temp has actually gone down giving up most of the recent warming, so we may be in for an extended cooling period. The comments that follow the entry are fun as well.
 
Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof
 
Enjoy!
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by ruking1
Oct 21, 2008 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 5:34 am)

Indeed I have also read in passing the manufacturing of computers, TV's, and other electronic products are more than highly pollutive!
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 5:34 am)

I remember reading about the cloth/disposable controversy 25 years ago and I don't even have kids (disposable diapers were washing up on the beaches of Nome back then raising a stink).
 
It's like coffee cups - things aren't always as they seem. Ceramic mugs take more energy and resources to make and clean than disposable Styrofoam, at least per one older study. But drinking coffee isn't green anyway.
 
Nothing is as simple as it seems on the surface.
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by alltorque
Oct 21, 2008 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 5:57 am)

Getting to the "Nothing surprises me" stage now; especially where the U.K. Government is concerned.
 
On a lighter note..............today saw the commissioning of Britains latest off-shore wind turbine farm, (just off my local coastline). This now makes Britain the largest generator of electricity from offshore wind turbines. We just overtook Denmark. Just when I thought we were doing something right, they announced that the minister responsible would be going to see the new installation by helicopter. It's only a short trip by boat for heaven's sake. Why burn all that kerosine ? Maybe the fact that we don't really have a Royal Navy or a fishing fleet, any more, might explain it. Still, yippee for the turbines.
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 5:57 am)

Disposable diapers have been a popular target of greenies for a long time. Used to be about biodegradability and landfill space, yada yada. As often happens, environmentalist took too narrow a view of the issue. I had to laugh that now there is some concern over their contribution to global warming. Some of this stuff is just too weird.
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 6:35 am)

Well, just being aware that doing stuff has consequences is a big part of the battle, even if it takes a few decades to reach a consensus about what the right thing to do is (or to rethink that consensus - think Smokey the Bear).
 
Last summer friends were here and we all went to the grocery and I forgot my cloth bags (no doubt loaded with pesticide and herbicide residue, but that's another story....). Anyway, I put my groceries in plastic and got chastised for not using paper bags. I'm like, dude, you and your wife own four cars and you want to lecture me about plastic/paper? (I'm not convinced that paper is better anyway).
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Re: Two takes [steve_] by mattandi
Oct 21, 2008 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 21, 2008 6:40 am)

It does get fun sometimes. And yes, it can take time for the whole picture to become clear.
 
If you into the reusable bags, check these out. Chico Bag. They're a bit more expensive, but I like the way they store easily. Most of the reusable bags from stores tend to be bulky in any reasonable quantity.
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Re: Two takes [mattandi] by steve_ HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: mattandi (Oct 21, 2008 6:54 am)

I've learned to leave mine in the cars, but yeah, they are too bulky for a pocket. But I already have a dozen bags - a few I purchased at a yard sale, but most of them were freebies from trade shows. I saved .24 cents just the other day with the bag credit (6 cents a bag).

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