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Re: Consider This... [steve_] by imidazol97
Jul 16, 2008 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2008 1:49 pm)

>but a coal vein has been burning
 
This is perfect. I've read about this before.
 
All we need to do is collect all that excess CO2 that people are making that some think is causing climate change. Then we put the CO2 into the mine to put out the fire. Just seal off all the entrances. The CO2 is heavier than air so pour it in one opening and it settles and voila, no oxygen because the CO2 has filled the mine!
 
And here Battelle is spending good public grant money for a study of how to compress CO2 into a rock structure underground to get rid of a gas causing global warming (some think). Of course the CO2 is going to migrate through the rock and escape into the ground water and carbonate it.. Fizzy water out the tap, anyone?
 
What's even funnier is the CO2 they're trying to get rid of is from a greenies dream process of making ethanol!!! The green ethanol produces a side product that's causing global warming (some think).
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Re: Consider This... [imidazol97] by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 16, 2008 3:53 pm)

Next targets..... the greenies FOODIE favorites BEER, WINE, SPIRITS? They of course give off tons of C02!!....
 
Bulldoze those farming for the above: like : Burgundy? Champage? Napa Valley? etc etc etc???
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Re: Consider This... [ruking1] by imidazol97
Jul 16, 2008 (4:05 pm)
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>They of course give off tons of C02!!....
 
And the cattle giving meat and milk emit, hold on to your hat, both CO2 and CH4 (methane)!!!
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Re: Consider This... [imidazol97] by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 16, 2008 4:05 pm)

Then of course if you are vegetarian, you might be rationed because those "food sources" actually EAT C02. So what is more important given the fascist policies people getting "FAT" or saving the EAF from C02.....? So do we now give "FAT FOLKS" time to lose weight and if they don't we now execute them because they produce too much C02? (taking the place of vestial virgins, etc etc) ..... George Orwell's 1984 has been happening for MANY MANY YEARS.
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Re: Volcanos. [ruking1] by gagrice
Jul 16, 2008 (4:08 pm)
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Bralower says that figuring out the post-volcanism scenario could help scientists wrestling with unknowns about global warming today.
 
He should have asked Al Gore, he has all the answers. Heck they gave him some kind of funky award because he knows SO much about Global Warming.
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Re: Consider This... [imidazol97] by gagrice
Jul 16, 2008 (4:12 pm)
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I guess Ted Turner was right. By the time the greenies outlaw all the food, we will just have to eat each other. Without BaBaQu sauce, YUCK
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [steve_] by vchiu
Jul 16, 2008 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2008 8:55 am)

>I suspect a HST from NYC to Miami would be popular
 
I speculate that a HST line from Portland to Miami would take about 7 hours. This would not be enough to beat the plane on those destinations, but would be still competitive in intermediate city to city transport.
 
There are maybe 30 millions people living along such a corridor. It may cost 100 to 150 billion USD. It would certainly make sense in the long term, but I don't expect private investors to have that kind of money.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [vchiu] by gagrice
Jul 16, 2008 (5:53 pm)
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Replying to: vchiu (Jul 16, 2008 5:40 pm)

It may cost 100 to 150 billion USD. It would certainly make sense in the long term, but I don't expect private investors to have that kind of money.
 
Neither does the US government. We are $9.5 TRILLION in debt and a big chunk of our current budget of $3 trillion will add to that debt. Maybe after we pay that down a few trillion we think about HST. You will have to get through Congress. Each Senator has a state that wants something. You spend $100 billion on one state the other 49 want their share. That would be about $5 trillion in one bill to get a HST from DC to Miami or where ever. When the $25 billion was allocated in 1956 we had a balanced budget we were not adding to the National Debt. Our President was impressed with the German Autobahn and wanted US to have that kind of system across the USA. It was to be for every state at the time. What you are proposing will only benefit very small segments of the population. That is hard to get through Congress that wants to please the whole USA.
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If you believe the GW hysteria SELL, SELL, SELL by gagrice
Jul 16, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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It looks like Donald Trump is a believer in GW. Get out while the getting is good...
 
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
 
PALM BEACH — The Donald's deal is done.
 
Real estate mogul Donald Trump on Tuesday closed the sale of a Palm Beach mansion to a Russian billionaire for the blockbuster price of $95 million.
 
 "I love breaking records," Trump said Wednesday, "and this is a record."
 
It's believed to be the most expensive house ever sold in the United States.
 
"At the same time, I believe the buyer made an absolutely fantastic deal, and time will prove this right," Trump said.
 
The house, located at 515 N. County Road, was sold to an entity known as County Road Property LLC. Russian fertilizer billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev last month acknowledged he is the buyer of the Trump property.
 
Trump called the deal a $100 million sale, but the deed lists the price as $95 million, said Robert Brody, a West Palm Beach lawyer representing the buyer.
 
Sources say Trump paid all closing costs and brokerage commissions, including $665,000 in documentary stamps. Brody declined to discuss closing costs payments. Trump's Palm Beach attorney, Paul Rampell, declined to comment.
 
The sale marks a triumphant end to a bid by Trump to turn a troubled but prime piece of Palm Beach land into gold.
 
Trump scooped up the home, the former Abe Gosman estate, for $41.35 million in 2004 as part of the health-care magnate's bankruptcy filing. Although Trump performed a renovation of the property, the 6-acre property's real appeal is its 475 feet of unobstructed oceanfront.
 
The final price ended up lower than Trump's initial asking price of $125 million, and a hair under initial reports of a $100 million contract sales price. The house's final sales price was adjusted downward from $100 million during last-minute negotiations, sources said.
 
But the deal still is a victory for Trump and for the Palm Beach mansion market, which continues to prove resilient despite the crisis striking the real estate market throughout the country.

 
Trump can gloat when the Russian Billionaire is under water....
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [gagrice] by vchiu
Jul 16, 2008 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 16, 2008 5:53 pm)

>We are $9.5 TRILLION in debt and a big chunk of our current budget of $3 trillion will add to that debt.
 
There is good and bad debt. Good debt is done with money borrowed for investment. those investments will create more growth and wealth, resulting in easier paybacks and improved standard of living.
 
Bad debt is done with money borrowed for spending. This is a case when a budget is not tight and that money is borrowed to cover expenses. Expenses don't create wealth nor growth. Some expenses are even counter productive.
 
The healthy way to keep a budget is to cut expenses, especially non-essential ones. Any new expense decision above a certain level should get through a strict validation process.
 
I don't agree with your view that infrastructure or major development projects should be halted, whereas many other less necessary expenses (welfare, military, credit rescue..) be carried further without reconsideration.
 
Maybe your view would be to cut expenses as to lower the debt. but with current economic situation, this means going straight into recession without alternate business model to break the vicious circle.
 
>That would be about $5 trillion in one bill to get a HST from DC to Miami or where ever
 
We are down to speculation. With this amount, I think there would be enough railways to criss-cross the country without setting foot in a car. This is not what I think is realistic.
 
>Our President was impressed with the German Autobahn and wanted US to have that kind of system across the USA
 
Why wouldn't the president be impressed by the High speed network in Europe or Japan ? I guess at that time he did not ask the question of the short term profitability of highways, and just considered it was good for the US.
Thanks to this, US enjoyed a nice period of growth and nobody argues today that it was a mistake.
Let us quit double standards and do what must be done instead of whining before high gas price and doing nothing.

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