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Re: Consider This... [oldfarmer50] by imidazol97
Jul 16, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:14 pm)

That was my point. We have people trying to change something just for their own social purpose, not for a scientifically proven purpose.
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Re: Consider This... [coldcranker] by steve_ HOST
Jul 16, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 16, 2008 12:37 pm)

"No one knows exactly how it started, but a coal vein has been burning under the Pennsylvania mining town of Centralia since 1961"
 
Centralia Mine Fire
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Re: Consider This... [steve_] by larsb
Jul 16, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2008 1:49 pm)

That's awful. I had of course heard of it before but not in the detail that article presented the infomation.
 
Seems like we could put it out for far less than 42 million bones.
 
I don't know enough about coal mining of coal mines, but there ARE experts in this area.
 
This needs to be handed to someone competent like "America's Mayor Rudy" and get the dang thing put out.
 
My gosh - what year is this - 1888? We can't muster enough ingenuity and technology to put out a coal mine fire?
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Re: Consider This... [larsb] by oldfarmer50
Jul 16, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2008 2:14 pm)

..."We can't muster enough ingenuity and technology to put out a coal mine fire?..."
 
I didn't read the article but if I remember correctly, coal fires are tough to put out because the burn in the CEILING of the mine. You can pour all the water you want into the mine and it just runs along the FLOOR and out the many cracks in the rock. It's like trying to fill up a sieve.
 
I don't think you can send fire fighters in to attack it directly either because the fire works it's way into small areas and because of the toxic gases.
 
I may be wrong on this but thats seems to be how I remember reading about it.
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Re: Consider This... [larsb] by gagrice
Jul 16, 2008 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2008 2:14 pm)

Kind of ironic. They probably closed the coal mine because the people quit using coal for fuel. So it burns itself up. Seems like they could re-open the mine and start digging it out and using it. Better that it pollutes doing something than just dumping GHG into the air with no benefit.
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Volcanos. by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (3:34 pm)
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Death in the deep: Volcanoes blamed for mass extinction
 
link title
 
So what was "WRONG" with
 
..."Palm trees grew in what would be Alaska, large reptiles roamed in northern Canada and the ice-free Arctic Ocean warmed to the equivalent of a tepid swimming pool."...
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Re: Consider This... [steve_] by imidazol97
Jul 16, 2008 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2008 1:49 pm)

>but a coal vein has been burning
 
This is perfect. I've read about this before.
 
All we need to do is collect all that excess CO2 that people are making that some think is causing climate change. Then we put the CO2 into the mine to put out the fire. Just seal off all the entrances. The CO2 is heavier than air so pour it in one opening and it settles and voila, no oxygen because the CO2 has filled the mine!
 
And here Battelle is spending good public grant money for a study of how to compress CO2 into a rock structure underground to get rid of a gas causing global warming (some think). Of course the CO2 is going to migrate through the rock and escape into the ground water and carbonate it.. Fizzy water out the tap, anyone?
 
What's even funnier is the CO2 they're trying to get rid of is from a greenies dream process of making ethanol!!! The green ethanol produces a side product that's causing global warming (some think).
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Re: Consider This... [imidazol97] by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 16, 2008 3:53 pm)

Next targets..... the greenies FOODIE favorites BEER, WINE, SPIRITS? They of course give off tons of C02!!....
 
Bulldoze those farming for the above: like : Burgundy? Champage? Napa Valley? etc etc etc???
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Re: Consider This... [ruking1] by imidazol97
Jul 16, 2008 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 16, 2008 4:03 pm)

>They of course give off tons of C02!!....
 
And the cattle giving meat and milk emit, hold on to your hat, both CO2 and CH4 (methane)!!!
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Re: Consider This... [imidazol97] by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 16, 2008 4:05 pm)

Then of course if you are vegetarian, you might be rationed because those "food sources" actually EAT C02. So what is more important given the fascist policies people getting "FAT" or saving the EAF from C02.....? So do we now give "FAT FOLKS" time to lose weight and if they don't we now execute them because they produce too much C02? (taking the place of vestial virgins, etc etc) ..... George Orwell's 1984 has been happening for MANY MANY YEARS.

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