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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [gagrice] by larsb
Jul 16, 2008 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 16, 2008 12:13 pm)

Gary, in answer to your question:
 
"Is it possible this has something to do with the ice melting? "
 
the answer is a resounding
 
NOT QUITE.
 
If that were a significant cause, all the anti-GW organizations and scientists would be standing on that report with a megaphone declaring the melting arctic ice as having nothing to do with GW.
 
Have you seen such events occurring?
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Re: Consider This... [oldfarmer50] by coldcranker
Jul 16, 2008 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:14 pm)

Are automobiles a major source of global warming? Yes. What may surprise a lot of people is that China and India are producing as much global warming gases as all the vehicles in the U.S. simply by out-of-control, useless, underground coal fires they have burning for no useful good. Go to www.google.com and type in the words coal fires china global warming
 
From Wikipedia on the subject: "Globally, thousands of inextinguishable mine fires are burning, especially in China and India, where poverty, lack of government regulations and runaway development combine to create an environmental disaster. Modern strip mining exposes smoldering coal seams to the air, revitalizing the flames. Rural Chinese in coal-bearing regions often dig coal for household use, abandoning the pits when they become unworkably deep, leaving highly combustible coal dust exposed to the air. Using satellite imagery to map China's coal fires resulted in the discovery of many previously unknown fires. The oldest coal fire in China is in Baijigou and is said to have been burning since the Qing Dynasty."
 
It would be nice if the world could put its resources into putting out those coal fires instead of fighting wars, or, as the rich oil countries in the Middle East do, put all their money into palaces and resorts.
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Re: Consider This... [ruking1] by oldfarmer50
Jul 16, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 16, 2008 12:34 pm)

"...are the proposed "secular" version of practices long past..."
 
So you are saying that they are going to sacrifice our money because there are no virgins left?
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Re: Consider This... [oldfarmer50] by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:38 pm)

Reality is cruel, no?
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Re: Consider This... [oldfarmer50] by imidazol97
Jul 16, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:14 pm)

That was my point. We have people trying to change something just for their own social purpose, not for a scientifically proven purpose.
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Re: Consider This... [coldcranker] by steve_ HOST
Jul 16, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 16, 2008 12:37 pm)

"No one knows exactly how it started, but a coal vein has been burning under the Pennsylvania mining town of Centralia since 1961"
 
Centralia Mine Fire
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Re: Consider This... [steve_] by larsb
Jul 16, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2008 1:49 pm)

That's awful. I had of course heard of it before but not in the detail that article presented the infomation.
 
Seems like we could put it out for far less than 42 million bones.
 
I don't know enough about coal mining of coal mines, but there ARE experts in this area.
 
This needs to be handed to someone competent like "America's Mayor Rudy" and get the dang thing put out.
 
My gosh - what year is this - 1888? We can't muster enough ingenuity and technology to put out a coal mine fire?
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Re: Consider This... [larsb] by oldfarmer50
Jul 16, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2008 2:14 pm)

..."We can't muster enough ingenuity and technology to put out a coal mine fire?..."
 
I didn't read the article but if I remember correctly, coal fires are tough to put out because the burn in the CEILING of the mine. You can pour all the water you want into the mine and it just runs along the FLOOR and out the many cracks in the rock. It's like trying to fill up a sieve.
 
I don't think you can send fire fighters in to attack it directly either because the fire works it's way into small areas and because of the toxic gases.
 
I may be wrong on this but thats seems to be how I remember reading about it.
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Re: Consider This... [larsb] by gagrice
Jul 16, 2008 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2008 2:14 pm)

Kind of ironic. They probably closed the coal mine because the people quit using coal for fuel. So it burns itself up. Seems like they could re-open the mine and start digging it out and using it. Better that it pollutes doing something than just dumping GHG into the air with no benefit.
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Volcanos. by ruking1
Jul 16, 2008 (3:34 pm)
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Death in the deep: Volcanoes blamed for mass extinction
 
link title
 
So what was "WRONG" with
 
..."Palm trees grew in what would be Alaska, large reptiles roamed in northern Canada and the ice-free Arctic Ocean warmed to the equivalent of a tepid swimming pool."...

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