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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 16, 2008 11:37 am) I posted a report about scientists seeing for the first time volcanic eruptions under the Arctic Ice. I also posted the scientific study on the ocean temperatures that ARE NOT rising as all those scientists had claimed. Almost every day more scientific data comes to the surface challenging the so called consensus pushed by the media, the UN and those lined up to sell Carbon Credits. I can accept that the earth may be getting warmer. I cannot accept the politicized man is the culprit view of Climate Change. Volcanoes Erupt Beneath Arctic Ice By Jeanna Bryner, Senior Writer posted: 27 June 2008 05:10 pm ET New evidence deep beneath the Arctic ice suggests a series of underwater volcanoes have erupted in violent explosions in the past decade. Hidden 2.5 miles (4,000 meters) beneath the Arctic surface, the volcanoes are up to a mile (2,000 meters) in diameter and a few hundred yards tall. They formed along the Gakkel Ridge, a lengthy crack in the ocean crust where two rocky plates are spreading apart, pulling new melted rock to the surface. Until now, scientists thought undersea volcanoes only dribbled lava from cracks in the seafloor. The extreme pressure from the overlying water makes it difficult for gas and magma to blast outward. But the Gakkel Ridge, which is relatively unexplored and considered unique for its slow spreading rate, is just the place for surprises. Robert Reeves-Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Massachusetts and his colleagues discovered jagged, glassy fragments of rock scattered around the volcanoes, suggesting explosive eruptions occurred between 1999 and 2001. They hypothesize that the slow spreading could allow excess gas to build up in pockets of magma beneath the oceanic crust. When the gas pressure gets high enough, it pops like a champagne bottle being uncorked. With news this week that polar ice is melting dramatically, underwater Arctic pyrotechnics might seem like a logical smoking gun. Scientists don't see any significant connection, however. "We don't believe the volcanoes had much effect on the overlying ice," Reeves-Sohn told LiveScience, "but they seem to have had a major impact on the overlying water column." The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide, helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances, he said. http://www.livescience.com/environment/080627-sea-volcanoes.html Is it possible this has something to do with the ice melting?
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What if Climate Change is real but a totally natural process which we can not effect no matter what we do. Also consider that we bankrupt ourselves trying to change a natural process over which we have no control. Now consider what shape we will be in dealing with this natural climate change without any resources because we wasted them all trying to change something that was unchangeable. I fear that humankind is in for a shock. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:14 pm) Carbon credits would be the equivalent/ are the proposed "secular" version of practices long past, but effectively have had the same effect: ZERO......................... Global warming? NO CARS during this period? There are psychological archetypal deep seated needs these fulfull, however......So if ya make moo lah from the concept.....................
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 16, 2008 12:13 pm) "Is it possible this has something to do with the ice melting? " the answer is a resounding NOT QUITE. If that were a significant cause, all the anti-GW organizations and scientists would be standing on that report with a megaphone declaring the melting arctic ice as having nothing to do with GW. Have you seen such events occurring? |
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:14 pm) From Wikipedia on the subject: "Globally, thousands of inextinguishable mine fires are burning, especially in China and India, where poverty, lack of government regulations and runaway development combine to create an environmental disaster. Modern strip mining exposes smoldering coal seams to the air, revitalizing the flames. Rural Chinese in coal-bearing regions often dig coal for household use, abandoning the pits when they become unworkably deep, leaving highly combustible coal dust exposed to the air. Using satellite imagery to map China's coal fires resulted in the discovery of many previously unknown fires. The oldest coal fire in China is in Baijigou and is said to have been burning since the Qing Dynasty." It would be nice if the world could put its resources into putting out those coal fires instead of fighting wars, or, as the rich oil countries in the Middle East do, put all their money into palaces and resorts.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 16, 2008 12:34 pm) So you are saying that they are going to sacrifice our money because there are no virgins left?
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 16, 2008 12:38 pm)   
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 16, 2008 12:37 pm) Centralia Mine Fire
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 16, 2008 1:49 pm) Seems like we could put it out for far less than 42 million bones. I don't know enough about coal mining of coal mines, but there ARE experts in this area. This needs to be handed to someone competent like "America's Mayor Rudy" and get the dang thing put out. My gosh - what year is this - 1888? We can't muster enough ingenuity and technology to put out a coal mine fire? |
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