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Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [vchiu] by imidazol97
Jul 14, 2008 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: vchiu (Jul 14, 2008 7:25 am)

>I would first say that waiting one more year was not a good choice. Projects tend to get more expensive in time and delays are one big source of cost increases.
 
No matter when a project is started it will go grossly overbudget. So one year means nicht.
 
>I forgot global warming is not a big issue and if it was, it can't be man-made can it.
 
Now you're seeing the light. The homeostases involved are far beyond a Hollywood actor's or tired old corrupt senator/presidential candidate loser's having figured out the balances and how one item can upset them. Don't forget water vapor as GHG more effective than CO2.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 14, 2008 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 14, 2008 8:00 am)

I think that IF California voters were told they would get a HST from LA to SF and it would cost $9 billion they would probably vote for it. The proposition is depending on Federal and additional state money that is NOT allocated. All during a time of budget cuts in CA. My understanding of light rail is much different than High Speed Trains. Though I am not sure that 225 MPH train actually exists in a working railroad. From what I can find the fastest scheduled service is 164 MPH in Japan.
 
I think the CA HST plan will be long on promises and short of cash.
 
If it is all built in the USA it would be good for our economy. If all we get to do is lay track that kind of sounds like the original railroads. Who would we get to do that work? Any volunteers?
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 14, 2008 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2008 8:44 am)

Well you have to start somewhere and it looks like oil is either going to be in shorter supply or very expensive ... or both.
 
Andy Grove of Intel was quoted over the weekend about new tech and early adopters - we can laugh at solar, wind, fusion, whatever, but 20 years ago all personal computers were good for was for BASIC games. They were expensive suckers too!
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 14, 2008 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 14, 2008 8:27 am)

I have NO problem with only spending the 64 cents per gallon of gas and the 72 cents per gallon of diesel on road projects and maintenance. I think the truth is there is a big surplus from the money received and the money spent on roads in CA. We know a large chunk of the gas tax goes to mass transit already. So that means we automobile drivers are being cheated from the get go. CA now has some private roads that are paid for by toll charges. I have no problem with that. I have used the one that cuts off several miles of 5 and the 405 coming from San Diego. It was wonderful when it first opened. Now it is as crowded as the rest. Not worth the fee.
 
As far as your article, it leaves out a big factor of all the roads we have already paid for that continue to generate revenue. Which should be spent on maintenance and future roads. A very biased poorly thought out article. Put all the gas tax out there for roads and we will see how much more it takes. Then up the tax accordingly.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 14, 2008 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2008 9:05 am)

You'll have to complain to the state of Texas - they came out with the study. All your gas and road taxes won't even pay for the maintenance on existing roads, much less fund new ones. It sounds like you are at least fifty cents a gallon short.
 
Here's the Texas link:
 
Do Roads Pay for Themselves?
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [steve_] by gagrice
Jul 14, 2008 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 14, 2008 9:15 am)

I see where the first article got its BS from. The state. That was so much double talk I am surprised you would believe it. First they give 25% to education of the gas tax. Then they use 75% for in their words:
 
and about three-quarters of which goes to the state’s highway fund, where it is spent on transportation uses and some non-transportation functions of government.
 
So how much goes for Roads and maintenance? It is the same crap they pull in CA and probably most other states. Put it in the general fund and then it gets all mixed up so they can make whatever claims they would like. Gas tax is now and has been a money maker for the states. They are not interested in cutting the mileage because the more gas you burn the more bucks they get to spend.
 
Now take the Federal money. TX only gets back 70% of what they send to Washington DC out of the gas tax collected. Where does the other 30% go? So maybe TX should only build those roads that will pay for themselves. So what if one 15 mile section of highway does not pay for itself. What about the thousands of miles that make them a fortune? You don't see that because they are playing games with our gas tax money. What a bunch of hooey
 
If I wasn't so cheap I would go drive my SUV up and down the road spewing GHG. Hope it chokes Ahnold the pinhead.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jul 14, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 14, 2008 9:47 am)

Seems pretty simple to calculates how much gasoline is consumed on a roadway and how much gas tax revenue that generates. Throw in registration fees and you still aren't covering the costs of the roads without everyone chipping in more in general revenue taxes.
 
The other 30% goes to Alaska btw for all those bridges to nowhere.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [steve_] by kernick
Jul 14, 2008 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 14, 2008 10:36 am)

If the only function of the road was to carry passengers between destinations then the tax-revenue / cost of road would be a no-brainer. However one of the main uses of the highway is to allow commerce and business in that area - flow of goods. The contribution of roads to the economy then fuels business which then produces a myriad of taxes in various. Those taxes do go into general local, state, and federal funds.
 
Compare the economy and taxes generated of an area with a lot of roads (LA?) to any area in the U.S. with nothing more than a dirt road.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Jul 14, 2008 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jul 14, 2008 12:13 pm)

So, you're saying it's ok to subsidize the highways? If the real cost of moving those goods was factored in, then the consumers, not the taxpayers would bear a higher burden of the costs. All you are doing currently is encouraging waste and inefficient shipping methods.
 
And don't forget that the railroads deserve equal time.
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Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [steve_] by kernick
Jul 14, 2008 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 14, 2008 12:21 pm)

If you read the History section of the following, you will see that the main intent of the highway system is for defense and commerce, with personal transportation just being an added benefit.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
 
A subway, bus, or HST is almost solely designed to move passengers; not moving military equipment, supplies, or general commerce goods.
 
Consumers are taxpayers usually. It's fairly hard to make $ w/o the tax-man collecting some.
 
I think trains used to haul bulk-cargo (coal, wheat, corn ...) are great and should be encouraged.
 
I think systems should be paid for by those who use the system.

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