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#10998 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [Stever@Edmunds]
Jul 20, 2013 (12:17 pm)
I wonder how many of those conspiracies will become reality, when Snowden tells all he has stored on those four laptops? I did not trust our governments long before guys like Snowden and Wikileaks started blowing the whistle.
That is exactly what I want US to do about GW. NOTHING. Clean the air, rivers, lakes and ocean. Quit trying to play god. I think the idiots we have running this state and Federal government believe they could have stopped the Ice Age.
#10999 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [gagrice]
Jul 20, 2013 (5:00 pm)
Look at the people who want to hang Snowden on spurious treason charges - they are definitely hiding something. None of them are people I'd trust.
What irks me about the GW boogeyman is why the west should commit economic suicide to deal with it, while the BRICs and friends are allowed to continue with business as usual. The globalist one-worlder's dream, race to the bottom.
#11000 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [fintail]
Jul 20, 2013 (7:52 pm)
The real sick part is so many idiot leaders signed onto Kyoto. And to my knowledge NONE have lived up the the Kyoto treaty. It was just another scam to steal from the gullible American tax payers.
Could this be true??
New EIA data shows USA inadvertently meets 1997 Kyoto protocol CO2 emission reductions without ever signing on thanks to a stagnant economy. Lowest level of CO2 emissions since 1994.
In 2012, a surprising twist and without ever ratifying it, the United States became the first major industrialized nation in the world to meet the United Nationís original Kyoto Protocol 2012 target for CO2 reductions.
#11001 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [gagrice]
Jul 21, 2013 (7:00 am)
Probably true because of Obama's manipulation of the EPA and their war on coal...at the taxpayer's expense.
#11002 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [houdini1]
Jul 21, 2013 (7:14 am)
No doubt, Obama's war on coal is going to devastate several states. It will raise electric rates, cause more unemployment with nothing to take its place. If it is a state that NG can be extracted they will not suffer as badly. End result more people below the poverty level, and on welfare. I know right today we in CA pay 2.5 times as much for our electricity as those on Coal power. Come up with a comparably priced alternative before you kill all those jobs and inflate the cost of electricity.
#11003 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 21, 2013 (7:50 am)
I think cheap natural gas is hammering coal (not to mention nuclear). NG prices are probably suppressing solar and wind expansion as well. Warren Buffett probably isn't too thrilled about empty coal cars on his trains.
#11004 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [Stever@Edmunds]
Jul 21, 2013 (9:13 am)
Yes, it's cheap gas that's resulted in the US seeing the biggest drop in CO2 emissions of any country. Nothing to do with Obama's just-announced policies on coal, and, most importantly, NOTHING to with the myriad expensive government programs to try and promote expensive, inefficient, and, in many cases, just plain wasteful 'green' technologies.
That's my problem. Let's assume we want to reduce CO2 emissions because of GW. We make a HUGE amount of CO2, so it follows that we have to be VERY careful how we do it, or we could go broke and still fail. That's where today's government programs are: we ARE broke (just look at the EU), and the government programs (ethanol, huge subsidies for EVs, solar and wind) will break us AND do next to nothing to reduce CO2.
Natural gas is THE short term solution, back out coal production, meanwhile pursue nuclear power.
And we don't need a 'war on coal'. Just apply existing regulations to power emissions, and get rid of the nightmare that is mountain top removal. Low natural gas prices will do the rest.
As an EU researcher it, biofuels (as they currently exist) are a "crime against humanity". The US uses nearly HALF it's corn crop for ethanol, driving up corn prices world-wide. Europe uses both corn and wheat. And the drive for biodiesel resulted in mass destruction of rainforests in SE Asia to plant palm oil plantations. The GW impact of that may never be made up with biodiesel use, a true ecological disaster.
The 'law of unintended consequences' has no better case study than the world's missteps on GW.
#11005 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [texases]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 21, 2013 (9:36 am)
Current nuke technology isn't there - it's insane to subsidize that industry to generate cheap power to run air conditioners for thirty years and then spend billions for untold decades keeping tabs on the poisonous waste. I'm amazed they are still working on the one in Georgia - glad I'm not a shareholder or ratepayer there. Although I may still wind up on the hook since it sounds like it could be Solyndra Two. (CS Monitor).
#11006 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [Stever@Edmunds]
Jul 21, 2013 (9:27 am)
The waste from nuclear plants is really not that big an issue, we almost solved it with the depository in NV, but that's been NIMBY'd to death.
The large costs are still an issue, though.
#11007 of 11199 Re: Scientific Theories [texases]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 21, 2013 (9:40 am)
Even if Yucca Mountain had already opened, can you imagine the train wreck moving the waste there? You think crude exploding in Quebec and spilling into the nearby lake and river was bad....