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#10968 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [MrShift@Edmunds]
Jul 19, 2013 (9:50 am)
Most of these "scientists" would say and do anything to keep their free ride going that is paid for by taxpayers. If a scientist disagrees, he is immediately cut off from those gov. grants.
"The debate is over" is a common refrain of liberals who only wish the debate was over...but the debates are just getting started. The climate debate is not over, the Benghazi debate is not over, the IRS debate is not over, the "fast and furious" debate is not over. One scandal after another.
#10969 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [houdini1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 19, 2013 (10:14 am)
Yeah, it's pretty much over. Beating on GW is like beating on Evolution--it's not the battle you want to fight anymore.
Science will just move on without you I think.
Or you could certainly focus on legitimate concerns on how monies are spent to combat Global Warming, as gagrice has pointed out--that makes more sense than denying it exists which I think is now an untenable position.
#10970 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [MrShift@Edmunds]
Jul 19, 2013 (10:31 am)
The money being wasted is my main concern. People can espouse all the crackpot theories they want as long as they don't ask me to pay for it. All that tax payer money can be better spent elsewhere.
The sun drives 99.9 percent of our climate, and it operates on a natural cycle. When it is hot and dry in one place,it is cold and wet in another place. Nothing we do can do about it but gripe.
Any affect that man has on climate is so small it just does not matter.
#10971 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [houdini1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 19, 2013 (11:15 am)
The world's scientists don't agree with that position.
#10972 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [fintail]
Jul 19, 2013 (11:20 am)
I am not ready to get a divorce so I can have my way. I would probably move somewhere that has a real winter. That way I could button up the place and head to the Florida Keys or Belize or Costa Rica for the winter months. When you live in CA and have a one acre+ of garden. Many tropical plants, you cannot just leave it. We have to pay someone to stay at the house and water for us whenever we take a vacation.
That also irritates me as the state keeps mandating energy policy that raises the price of everything we need. No wonder we are a poverty stricken state. I doubt if the other 9 states have as many people in poverty combined as we do. We are close to 9 million people living below the US poverty level. A quick side trip off the Interstate tells the story of the 3rd World CA has become.
#10973 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [MrShift@Edmunds]
Jul 19, 2013 (11:22 am)
They are paid not to.
#10974 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [houdini1]
Jul 19, 2013 (11:39 am)
If a scientist disagrees, he is immediately cut off from those gov. grants.
That is the Liberal way of getting a consensus on anything. Get rid of anyone that disagrees. If you are a professor in most of our universities and say you believe in creation you run the risk of being fired. Yet the top DNA scientist in the World has gone from an atheist to a creationist based on his DNA findings. To say any scientific discussion is over and done is a closed minded view and bound to be shot down. Much like the flat earth believers were.
Dr. Francis Collins Obama appointee as director of National Institutes of Health. Does not buy the theory that evolution shoots down Creation.
#10975 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [gagrice]
Jul 19, 2013 (12:14 pm)
You need to sit her down and have a talk then - if you want that lifestyle, you get to pay for it. If a similar lifestyle can be had elsewhere, move. Does she mind the CA problems as much as you do? Or does she take the good with the bad?
Is the poverty a product of environmental regulation, or some of the sometimes idiotic population growth ideals that the ruling people have established? A trip outside of the affluent cities everywhere in the US will show some not wholly first world conditions.
#10976 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [gagrice]
Jul 19, 2013 (12:26 pm)
That is the Liberal way of getting a consensus on anything. Get rid of anyone that disagrees.
Isn't that also what the nazis did? In the end it didn't work out too well for them.
#10977 of 11199 Re: CA Green Agenda a myth [fintail]
Jul 19, 2013 (1:37 pm)
It is as much her as me. She just has a lot of family here in San Diego. The only place I could probably get her to move would be Hilo. We both love that place and the COL is well within our means. Then there is the energy factor. When you get to be 70 you don't have the get up and go that you had at 50.
I think the fact that California is considered the worst place in the USA to do business is a combination of foolish regulations and the worst taxes in the country. That has a lot to do with the high unemployment. Then you add the fact that the weather is conducive to sleeping in a tent or park bench and it is like a leech magnet. Having a food bank at about every Church is a draw as well.
Most people with money own residences in other states and just keep their CA home as a vacation place. I would bet 90% of Hollywood own homes in Las Vegas and claim them as primary residence.