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#10795 of 10914 Re: Time to ban cold weather. [gagrice] by steve_ HOST

Dec 20, 2012 (9:36 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Dec 20, 2012 6:29 am)
Best start gathering your arguments for the new year; you're likely to be seeing lots more stories like this one in a few weeks:
 
2012 is USA's warmest year on record, so far (USA Today)

#10796 of 10914 Re: Time to ban cold weather. [steve_] by gagrice

Dec 20, 2012 (10:16 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Dec 20, 2012 9:36 am)
Until they get my local RAWS close to reality, I don't believe anything the NWS or NOAA puts out. If mine is so far off, good chance many more are as well. GIGO is our government reporting the weather. Yes they got a hot spell in the Midwest last year. And a mild winter so far. That is a mere spot on the globe compared to Russia. Put another way, it costs me a lot more to keep warm in the winter than cool in the summer.

#10797 of 10914 Re: Time to ban cold weather. [steve_] by houdini1

Dec 20, 2012 (10:31 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Dec 20, 2012 9:36 am)
Looks like you had to go all the way back to April to rerun that article. Can't find anything current?
 
I woke up this morning to 40 MPH winds, temp in 20's and lots of snow. If you are suffering from the heat, send some this way. I was hoping to have another winter like last year, but it looks like it is back to normal.
 
I'll bet all those people in Russia who are freezing to death would also like a little warming about now.

#10798 of 10914 Re: Time to ban cold weather. [houdini1] by steve_ HOST

Dec 20, 2012 (11:15 am)

Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 20, 2012 10:31 am)
Hm, though I was grabbing one of the current stories. Most of them this week are along the lines of "warmest year in Toledo" or "hottest NY".
 
Okay, here's one from the 14th of this month from EarthSky:
 
2012 set to be warmest year ever recorded in US.
 
Don't see a "world" one yet.

#10799 of 10914 Green yields gold for the fat cats by gagrice

Dec 29, 2012 (7:27 am)

Solar power fries ratepayers
 
A report this month by the Little Hoover Commission, an independent state oversight agency, says that the seemingly well-intentioned mandate could slap the state’s consumers with billions of dollars in unnecessary costs.
 
Indeed, the state’s major utilities already are warning that customers that have not gone solar will see their rates go up to subsidize customers that have installed solar panels on their rooftops.
 
It will amount to a $1.3 billion a year transfer from customers of Pacific Gas & Electricity, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric — whose electricity is generated by natural gas, nuclear energy, large hydro and other non-renewable sources — to the less than 1 percent of utility customers who rely on solar power.
 
“Join the thousands of home and business owners who have earned cash back by installing solar energy systems,” advertises the California Solar Initiative, a program overseen by the California Public Utilities Commission.
 
And the cost of the CSI program, a de facto tax on electricity ratepayers that haven’t gotten with the program, pales in comparison with costs borne by ratepayers and taxpayers alike to fund new solar plants throughout the Golden State.
 
Indeed, the Los Angeles Times this past fall lamented that “a new breed of prospectors — banks, insurers, utility companies — are receiving billions in subsidies while taxpayer(s) and ratepayers are paying most of the costs.”
 
Among the solar prospectors in the Mohave Desert, the Times reported, are Berkshire Hathaway, headed by gazillionaire investor Warren Buffett, General Electric, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley and Google.
 
And the electricity produced by the solar plants the corporations are building at the expense of California taxpayers and utility ratepayers won’t be cheap, costing two to four times as much as conventional electricity.
 
Stanford University economist Frank Wolak, an expert on California’s electricity market, told the Times that consumer electricity bills could rise as much as 50 percent by the time Buffet and his fellow solar prospectors are generating megawatts.
 
http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/12/29/solar-power-fries-ratepayers/?utm_source=t- witterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

#10800 of 10914 Re: Green yields gold for the fat cats [gagrice] by houdini1

Dec 29, 2012 (4:32 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Dec 29, 2012 7:27 am)
Madness...but in light of everything else that is going on I guess it makes perfect sense to those making these crazy decisions.
 
What irks me is that most of these solar power producers will eventually go bankrupt after siphoning off most of the taxpayer cash and lining their pockets.

#10801 of 10914 Alaska is going rogue on climate change. by gagrice

Jan 02, 2013 (2:27 pm)

Forget global warming, Alaska is headed for an ice age
 
So is SoCA. We have not been above 55 degrees for over a month. The NWS is not putting out honest data.
 
Defiant as ever, the state that gave rise to Sarah Palin is bucking the mainstream yet again: While global temperatures surge hotter and the ice-cap crumbles, the nation's icebox is getting even icier.
 
That may not be news to Alaskans coping with another round of 50-below during the coldest winter in two decades, or to the mariners locked out of the Bering Sea this spring by record ice growth.
 
Then again, it might. The 49th state has long been labeled one of the fastest-warming spots on the planet. But that's so 20th Century.
 
In the first decade since 2000, the 49th state cooled 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit.
 
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/forget-global-warming-alaska-headed-ice-ag- e

#10802 of 10914 Re: Alaska is going rogue on climate change. [gagrice] by houdini1

Jan 02, 2013 (7:31 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jan 02, 2013 2:27 pm)
Sorry, but you are simply not qualified to make this type of decision based on your own research. You have to leave it to our wonderful unbiased scientists to tell you what to believe.
 
How dare you !!!

#10803 of 10914 Re: Alaska is going rogue on climate change. [houdini1] by gagrice

Jan 05, 2013 (7:27 am)

Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 02, 2013 7:31 pm)
China along with Russia is pushing the global cooling agenda. Just can't trust anyone anymore.
 
BEIJING (AP) -- China is experiencing unusual chills this winter with its national average temperature hitting the lowest in 28 years, and snow and ice have closed highways, canceled flights, stranded tourists and knocked out power in several provinces.
 
China Meteorological Administration on Friday said the national average was -3.8 degrees Celsius (25 degrees Fahrenheit) since late November, the coldest in nearly three decades.
 
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_COLDEST_WINTER?SITE=AP&SECTION=H- OME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-05-07-52-05

#10804 of 10914 Re: Alaska is going rogue on climate change. [gagrice] by scwmcan

Jan 05, 2013 (8:30 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jan 05, 2013 7:27 am)
But just because a lot of the world is colder than usual doesn't mean anything, that just local weather, as long as they can report cherry picked data that is high enough they can declare that the earth is warming and work on getting all that money sent from "rich" nations to the poor nations to make thing fair, after all since the money will really be going to a few people in those Goverments it won't cause any additional climate change will it?
I really do think this climate change thing is going to do a lot of harm, to the environmantal and green movements. I have no problem with the conserve, reduce pollution and clean up the environment ideas, but I have a big problem with the scaremongering,and trying to make it so Normal people can't live. If people ever figure out that they are being lied to ( and to be generous I'll add if they are being lied to, I am sure there is at least some truth to the climate change agenda) then I fear that it is going to backfire on the good parts of the message ( trying to make humankind's impart on the environment as minimal as possible while still having a good quality of life) and people will not believe any messages again even if there is real caus for concern( this is true for all the other fear mongering that seems to happen nowadays, like pandemic notifications for " special" flus that wind up killing/infecting fewer people than the " normal" season flus). You can only cry wolf so many times before people stop believing you.

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