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#10785 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 10, 2012 (3:23 pm)
Taking firewood to your campsite is frowned upon here.
Didn't the Koch Brothers' study belie the weather station issue? (Fox)
#10786 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [steve_]
Dec 10, 2012 (5:01 pm)
You attach a lot of weight to Koch funding the Muller study. That means very little to me. I watched and assisted in studying everything you can imagine in the Arctic. Most was funded by BP. I am just saying if our RAWS is so far off everyday of the year, how many others are far off. It is a simple case of GIGO. I also would have to have a peer review of anything out of Berkeley. I just don't trust most of the University of CA system. They are paid to say what the Eco Nuts in charge want. It is not a matter of is the planet getting warmer or colder. It is a question of politicians using it to screw you and me out of money.
Last month, environmentalists cheered as California launched a cap-and-trade program, but talks of a federal carbon tax raised concerns about double taxation.
#10787 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 10, 2012 (5:13 pm)
I have ~13 years of gas logs for the minivan. Somewhere along the line I likely transposed a few numbers and wrote down the wrong amount of gas a few times. Over time those errors "disappear" and have no affect on the bottom line mpg I get. Out to two decimal points. (This is when I miss Tidester; he'd fill in the blanks about how data evens itself over time).
Outlier data points fade in the wash.
It does amuse me no end that someone with an agenda funded a study that wound up being 180° opposite what they anticipated it would be.
I am bummed to hear about your oaks. A few years back we were around Hearst Castle and camped a few miles inland. The small campsite was full of beautiful old oaks. We were surprised that there weren't many people tenting there.
About midnight a gazillion hoot owls (great horned we assume) cranked up and kept it up til dawn.
#10788 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [steve_]
Dec 10, 2012 (5:54 pm)
One has to assume that Koch hired Muller as a denier to push their agenda. Maybe they should have gotten Lord Monckton. Far less likely to buckle to liberal restraints that control this country. The point remains, warmer or colder we will have to adapt. There is no real will to kill off half the earth's population. And the emerging countries will pollute a lot more than we ever have. They will burn wood, coal or cow dung. We waste billions on scatter brained alternatives. When the best thing is to meet the problems as they arise. When we get down to low oil and gas supplies the price will rise to meet the alternatives. If the oceans rise, which is not very likely, build dykes or swim. One solution is right in front of US. Kids are less likely to be able to afford a car and the waste that goes with it. They seem to be happy walking down the street texting while listening to their music.
#10789 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Dec 10, 2012 (7:06 pm)
No if about it.
"Scientists have finally published the most definitive estimate of how much sea levels have risen as a result of increased polar ice melting in the last 20 years. According to a new report published in the journal Science, see levels have risen 11mm in the past two decades." (IceNews)
With the failure of the most recent UN conference, it's becoming more clear that any solution will be local. Like CA's cap and trade idea.
In other news, the NPS has renamed a Montana park to "The National Park Formerly Known as Glacier".
#10790 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [steve_]
Dec 10, 2012 (7:53 pm)
So let me get this straight. 30-40 divergent studies were put together and they came up with a possible rise in ocean levels of less than a half inch. I tell you what you can worry about GW now. I will rethink it when they are growing crops in all of Greenland. I am more worried about lying cheating crooked politicians getting into my wallet to fix something they have NO clue how to fix.
LOL about the NPS rename. Melting glaciers was John Muir's expertise. He worried about them long before cars came along. We could use the water down here in CA. If they could somehow pipe it down it would be appreciated.
#10791 of 10916 Re: U.N. Global Warming Conference [gagrice]
Dec 10, 2012 (8:11 pm)
A little more on Glaciers. It seems the glaciers in the Sierra Nevada mts did not exist until about 700 years ago during the little ice age.
Not sure how old the Glaciers in Glacier park are. They come and go. Not much you can do about it.
#10792 of 10916 Time to ban cold weather.
Dec 20, 2012 (6:29 am)
We are not as bad off as Russia. We are averaging 10 degrees below normal for most of this year. Having to burn lots of wood and propane which are both very expensive in CA.
Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years, with temperatures plunging as low as -50 degrees Celsius. Dozens of people have already died, and almost 150 have been hospitalized.
The country has not witnessed such a long cold spell since 1938, meteorologists said, with temperatures 10 to 15 degrees lower than the seasonal norm all over Russia.
Across the country, 45 people have died due to the cold, and 266 have been taken to hospitals. In total, 542 people were injured due to the freezing temperatures, RIA Novosti reported.
The Moscow region saw temperatures of -17 to -18 degrees Celsius on Wednesday, and the record cold temperatures are expected to linger for at least three more days. Thermometers in Siberia touched -50 degrees Celsius, which is also abnormal for December.
#10793 of 10916 Re: Time to ban cold weather. [gagrice]
Dec 20, 2012 (7:27 am)
Meanwhile, the U.N. is demanding reparations from the "rich countries" (must have gotten that idea from Obama) because they are the ones who have damaged the environment in past years and caused our horrible GW.
They admit that there is no way to accurately assess the damage (what damage?) that has been caused but...they just want the money.
#10794 of 10916 Re: Time to ban cold weather. [houdini1]
Dec 20, 2012 (7:58 am)
Most of that money would go to crackpot dictators in 3rd World hell hole countries. So they could buy guns and ammo to keep their slave labor from rising up against them.