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#10648 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [monksterman]
Jun 30, 2012 (9:29 pm)
Speaking of Bicycles. A friend's son was killed today in a bike race up in Fresno. Coming down a long grade, went off a 10 ft embankment and hit a tree. My friend is devastated. I see bike riders a lot as we live a a major bike route. I like riding bikes. I just don't like riding on the streets.
I think the plan is giant farms with migrant workers. bused to work living in government housing. Warehousing votes is the term I think best describes the plan.
#10649 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [monksterman]
Jul 01, 2012 (10:11 am)
Even if Obama is re-elected I don't believe he could ever get congress to ratify A21...but that would not stop him...he and the EPA would simply decree that it was in effect.
The only Americans who I could possibly imagine being for A21 are those who are already very low on the totem pole. Because they are failures, they want to drag everyone else down to their level.
The U.S. is the most successful country in the history of the world. The rest of the world should be emulating us, not trying to drag us down to their level.
Hopefully, people in the U.S. and the rest of the world will continue to get just what they work for and deserve, nothing more, nothing less.
#10650 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [steve_]
Jul 02, 2012 (4:06 pm)
Well, all I can say, given the UNCONSTITUTIONAL power of the EPA (& the UN which really pulls the strings and sets the table. See the recently adjourned RIO + 20 conference}, if I were a CEO of any oil company, I'd say the same thing! You wanna know why? It's to keep the EPA's jack booted thugs (read: Lawyers) away from my doorstep. Oil companies are an easy target. It's called good PR.
Though I do applaud him for getting his blows in anyway with statements e.g.: manufactured fear by advocacy groups, lazy press, an illiterate public as far as math and science goes, et cetera.
#10651 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [monksterman]
by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2012 (4:32 pm)
Funny, you can put it in CAPS and call them libtards, but the Supremes have taken on cases about the EPA and have yet to call the law or the agency unconstitutional.
For example, Supreme Court: CO2 a pollutant (Marketplace). They said the EPA had the right to regulate greenhouse gases.
There's another one in the last year or two where the EPA's right to regulate coal-fired power plants (not the states) was upheld. I'm sure there's plenty of others where EPA's powers to regulate were upheld. And guess what they are basing their regs on - yep, laws passed by Congress, like the Clean Air Act. Good luck trying to repeal that. You may as well try to outlaw apple pie, motherhood and Chevrolet. Lots of us like breathing clean air and drinking clean water.
I think Exxon has plenty of legal talent available to them btw.
#10652 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [houdini1]
Jul 02, 2012 (4:34 pm)
It (almost )doesn't matter if you're "for" or "against" A21, though thanks to people like Alex Jones and Ms. Koire, people are getting the real scoop. Why? Because this UN implemented and funded program, does an end run around national sovereignty by going to the local level via ICLEI & NGO's, influencing land use designations through Boards of Supervisors or city/community councils, Hegelian tactics, and using Delphi techniques to get their way.
Here's a little primer by Richard Rothschild, a 2011 Maryland regular guy who got pissed about it, exposed it, got elected (along with others) and defunded ICLEI in his county.
He has a longer interview you can find on the web wherein he tells the host how he got involved. It's very informative and a must watch.
#10653 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [monksterman]
by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2012 (5:07 pm)
If liking clean air and clean water makes me a A21er, tell John Birch to move over, because I'm joining him, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and all the other boogiemen under your bed.
Enjoy your 4th! Maybe I'll take a drive down Ron Paul's Interstate 35.
#10654 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [steve_]
Jul 02, 2012 (5:31 pm)
I did not hear anything said in that piece about doing away with our clean air and water regulations. That sounds like a boogie man argument.
The reality of the UN stealing our sovereignty is the issue. As many have said here we have cleaner air than much of Europe, so why do we listen to them on environmental issues? It is about losing our standard of living to satisfy the Limousine Liberals that want to rule the World from their Villas.
#10655 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2012 (5:58 pm)
In a world with 7 billion people, I just don't have much patience with the idea of a bunch of old guys smoking cigars in a penthouse boardroom pulling all the strings. Even Richard J. Daley got thrown out of the '72 Democratic convention by McGovern and he was the prototypical string puller.
I don't know what you mean by "listening" to the Europeans. We're a big melting pot and have been stealing good (and bad) ideas from the rest of the world for 236 years now (and yeah, had to do the math).
Our problem now is having elected officials that, unlike Nixon and the EPA formation days, won't work together on the issues.
#10656 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [steve_]
Jul 02, 2012 (6:16 pm)
The Supreme Court is not GOD. They are fallible and imperfect.
Carbon Dioxide a pollutant?!? It is the plant world's oxygen. Decreeing it so is absurd and if it weren't so tragic would be comical.
It's "rulings" like those that are an example of a de jure government replaced by a de facto one.
Don't misunderstand me. I don't want dirty air and water either.
#10657 of 10913 Re: This is how science works [monksterman]
by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2012 (6:34 pm)
Didn't like that Dred Scott decision eh?
If you don't want dirty air and water, someone is going to have to regulate how we keep it clean. You can trust Exxon or you can trust the United Nations or you can trust the EPA. Or we can go back to the old days where individuals had to sue the polluters and hope the judge didn't play golf with the chemical company owners.
The EPA seems the lesser of the evils.
Erin Brockovich seems to have plenty of work though.
Oh, back to CO2, "The EPA's finding doesn't say carbon dioxide, or CO2, is by itself a pollutant -- it is, after all, a gas that humans exhale and plants inhale. Rather, it is the increasing concentrations of the gas that concern the agency."
How Carbon Dioxide Became a 'Pollutant' (WSJ)