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Re: But gagrice... [murphydog] by larsb
Nov 25, 2009 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: murphydog (Nov 25, 2009 10:06 am)

murphydog says, "The problem here is that you want to decide what to ban and what to keep. "
 
No, "I" personally don't.
 
I want the people who know the most about pollution to decide.
 
And just about EVERYONE who knows ANYTHING about pollution knows how dirty those leaf blowers are. In addition to the dirty pollution from their unfiltered exhaust, they blow PM into the air, which combines with diesel exhaust and other factors to make the air very unhealthy.
 
And by the way - I live 5.3 miles from my workplace - a choice I made. And many times I have biked most of it, took a city bus, or Segwayed all of it. I've never driven it in anything dirtier than a hybrid car.
 
Banning gas-powered leaf blowers IS one of the very rare instances of one size DOES fit all.
 
P.S. And I personally would endorse a mandatory "public transportation minimum" for commuters in big cities which have excellent systems. If I were mandated to take PT, I would lose nothing but a little time.
 
Oh, and once my kids are grown and not relying on me for transportation, I will DEFINITELY not be taking a car to work ever, unless it's electric.
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Scientists behaving badly by wevk
Nov 25, 2009 (10:20 am)
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To protect the integrity of science, we must look beyond falsification, fabrication and plagiarism, to a wider range of questionable research practices; argue Brian C. Martinson, Melissa S. Anderson and Raymond de Vries.
 
http://www.biotech.bioetica.org/docta65.htm
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larsb... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 25, 2009 (10:55 am)
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my fellow Arizonan, to add to your statement below.
 
Yes, we had some freaks here in town try to go without A/C this past summer, doing a blog for a local paper.
 
Someone also went a bit bonkers up by Phoenix this early fall. I'm talking about the guy who took a lot of money from some people to go "rest in the sauna" over there. Only things got a little bit out of hand.
 
Personally my wife and I rejoiced after Sears finished installing central air in our Willcox home. That was in early July of 2008. For about a year and 4 months we basically toasted during the monsoon months over here.
 
But Phoenix is about 10 degrees hotter on hot days than our days in Willcox, so to me those people are trying to do something their bodies can't really keep up with.
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Re: But gagrice... [larsb] by houdini1
Nov 25, 2009 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 25, 2009 10:18 am)

Oh, and once my kids are grown and not relying on me for transportation, I will DEFINITELY not be taking a car to work ever, unless it's electric.
 
So you would not accept a job that you loved (say speaking to school kids on the merits of getting rid of gas powered leaf blowers) and paid $500,000. a year if it involved traveling, by car a couple of days a week...in a company provided Cadillac Escalade?
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Re: But gagrice... [houdini1] by larsb
Nov 25, 2009 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 25, 2009 11:08 am)

Yep, I'd take it.
 
And I'd use my excessive salary to convert my Escalade to all-electric.
 
.......back to topic please.........before we get whacked..........
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larsb... by iluvmysephia1
Nov 25, 2009 (12:01 pm)
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now that's the spirit of green!
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Re: But gagrice... [larsb] by kernick
Nov 25, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 25, 2009 9:56 am)

I'd rather just use 40% less energy than other houses my size, and get 85% of my power from the sun. That's MORE than my share.
 
No I'm afraid scientists have estimated that the average U.S. citizen needs to reduce their energy consumption by 90% to keep the CO2 level from rising. So if you're only using 40% less energy, you have a long way to go.
 
In order to reach a 90% reduction you're going to have to restrict your diet to locally grown foods - no more bananas shipped and trucked from South America, and even forget about veggies from CA. You'd have to give up all the goods you get from overseas, which is about everything; start knitting your clothes. And just forget about buying anything with plastic in it as you need oil to make plastics. Your solar panels on the roof do not produce energy to cover all those bits of energy used to produce and transport all the things you buy. Those are the sorts of changes everyone would have to make to keep CO2 from increasing. A 19th century lifestyle is where you end-up. You can watch the news and when you see the typical Afghan village, that's what you end up with if you want to be green-enough not to raise CO2 levels.
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Re: But gagrice... [larsb] by murphydog
Nov 25, 2009 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Nov 25, 2009 11:47 am)

LOL -
 
good point - back to cars -
 
I am bummed up here in seattle as we are making transportaion decisions that will not resolve capacity issues based on the fear that all single occupancy vehicles are bad - e.g. building bridges and tunnels that are too small. With car technology moving towards electricity vs oil as the power source I have this vision of thousands of commuters in their plug in battery powered cars....stuck in traffic....
 
granted these traffic jams will be quiet and fume free, but they will be traffic jams none the less...
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Re: But gagrice... [kernick] by larsb
Nov 25, 2009 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 25, 2009 12:27 pm)

Small steps, my man, small steps.
 
Once everyone else gets to 40%, I'll start my moves toward 90%.
 

 
Have a Happy Holiday Season All !!!
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Re: But gagrice... [murphydog] by gagrice
Nov 25, 2009 (2:33 pm)
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Replying to: murphydog (Nov 25, 2009 12:31 pm)

granted these traffic jams will be quiet and fume free, but they will be traffic jams none the less...
 
How do you rescue someone who's battery runs down on the LA freeway because the AC was keeping him cool sitting there. EVs will increase traffic no doubt as people feel they are Super Green. Especially if they turn out to be cheaper to drive. Though that is a big ? in my mind with our horrendous rates for electricity.

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