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Replying to: borno (Nov 09, 2009 8:47 am)  As for Hyundai, well, it's slowly creeping up to the luxury market, so like it or not it will occasionally be talked about. Anyways, back on topic: Audi's doing well, I agree, but I'm not impressed with it's current pricing and product options packaging policies. It's taking MB's old route, pack options that bloats the price plus keep raising the base price of the cars (while constantly stripping off the formerly standard features). These 2 problems make me think twice about getting an S5, because in the end I get the feeling that I can get a nicely loaded M3 for roughly the same dough. On another note, German cars are getting more and more reliable. I never consider German cars to be far less reliable than Japanese models since around 2000MY, customers need do only one thing: take a good care of the cars!!!! Do that, and the German cars will prove just as reliable as the Japanese cars. |
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Replying to: borno (Nov 09, 2009 8:47 am) You find similar stories on the Audiworld forums of people that have kept their cars for a very long time. Contrary to some opinion around here, some people do buy Audis, and keep them longer than 3 years. That said, and speaking as an Audi fan, the B5 and C5 A4 and A6 from the late '90s were not known as paragons of reliability. Some, if not all, of Audis low quality reputation from that era was deserved. I believe that Audi has truly turned a corner in the second half of this decade. Unfortunately, they will continue to be dogged by bad experiences from those cars, as well as the usual misinformation by some that Audis are just gussied up VWs. It takes a very long time to change perceptions in the auto industry. I recently tested bmw 5, audi a6, infiniti's m45x, and the acura tl. I was looking to replace my 'old' a6 , preferable with a manuel tranny. While all vehicle were great drives, at the end of the day, none were convinvcing enough to warrant a replacing my baby. Coming from an A6 2.7T with the MT, you really should check out the new S4. The '07 S6 is also starting to become affordable. It's not a car you can really toss into corners like the S4, but the V10 is intoxicating. |
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Well, I've been looking for my next vehicle for over 6 months. The S4 is great, but too small, I'm 6'1 and have teenage kids,(size ruled out the TL as well). The S6 was considered, drove it, liked it, few and far between, only AWD super sedan, got some tough reviews due to weight, under performance from a V10, still an option though. 07/08 still holding in the mid/high 50's, stubborn about the new led drl and tail lights, as well as the new hard drive based nav in the 2010. I found the right/rare car, Cayenne GTS with stick, chassy control, pano roof etc(can even tow respectably with it). Car stickers for 92.5, left over 09, available for $77K, good price, hard too pull the trigger. Actually had a dream, dealer called and offered it to me for $49,9, I'm a little crazy huh). Wife drives 04 Sienna AWD-loaded with 100k miles on it, other toy is '01 M3 convertible,stick. Super car! I'm holding off for the short term, like driving a car with virtually no depreciation exp. One never knows, also toying with the idea of European delivery of the new 5 series next year. Watching for super deals on a cayenne, saw 08 left over turbo $109K sticker, asking $84K, that's my kind of deal.
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Replying to: borno (Nov 11, 2009 7:10 pm) The S6 is indeed a heavy car, but in my experience the V10 is definitely not an under-performer. It doesn't have ridiculous power like the RS6, but the engine feels well matched to the capabilities of the car, and there's always plenty of power when you need it. The last AMG E class I drove had more grunt, but the car felt clumsy and couldn't really handle all that engine. The front end of the 2010 S6 hasn't changed as far as I can tell, only the tail lights have been updated. The new MMI is nice, but I'm happy with the previous setup for as much as I need NAV. AMI is a good enough substitute for the hard drive for music storage. I don't understand the appeal of super trucks like the Cayenne or X5 M. They are too small to be really useful like a GL, and they are far too tall and heavy to be really enjoyable to drive. Rather than spend $90K on a Cayenne, I'd much rather have something like a Boxster or TT-S and a 4Runner or something like that. |
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Replying to: borno (Nov 11, 2009 7:10 pm) The V10 can be considered an underachiever when compared directly against M5 and E63, but it's nowhere near the word slow, or heavy IMO. And this is a matter of personal taste, but I don't like the revised rear end on the current A6/S6, front end feels mismatched with the rear end. |
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Wow, you aren't kidding. Cayenne tipping it at 6,800, S6 only 4,800. I agree with both you, A6 more comfortable, sport truck a bit of a contradiction. Think I'll wait til the sienna goes,(could be a couple of years) and let the wife get a X5 for her next rig. Question: what is AMI you're referring to?? What don't you like abouth the rear leds? What's mismatched about led drls and led tail lights. I've looked for A6,(4.2), which would be a reasonable option, but you guys are right, the S6 would be a keeper. They are growing in numbers as they come off leases.
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Replying to: borno (Nov 12, 2009 7:50 am) Audi Music Interface link |
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Now that we have the car, what do you all think about mileage on used ones and colors? Saw quite a variety of used vehicles from 40K  high $40s up to 15K for high $50s. Obviously I would only buy an Audi certified vehicle. I don't think I could do a Black exterior, and I have had silver and greys that get boring. I like the white, or would consider the darker blue that came in 09. Interiors are limited. The silver is too light and will show wear and dirt, Grey is rare, Black is common and most likely the probable choice. Will probably wait for a end of year deal, or mid-winter, eventhough they don't deal too much on these. 2010s are selling for sticker. I do like the led introduced in 09 and would love to have the new hard drive based nav, etc., but can't justify the $$. There should be more used vehicles turning up as time goes. Any other thoughts?? Thanks for all the help!!
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Just read that the new 3.0T does 0-60 in 5.9, S6 only slighly better at 5.7, really thinking to look for agreesive lease or slighlty used A6, 4.2. After all, it's still meant to be a family sedan. I have my 01M3converible, with hardtop, to tool aroung in if necessary. Considered leasing, but that's really not me. I also think 2010s have a new optional sport suspension option. Now too really cloud things. I'd love to consider European delivery!! Everything I've read points to a great experience. Doesn't save you a ton, but pretty much covers your flight costs. Sorry too be all over the place, but you understand...thanks again!!!!!!!
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