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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm) BTW, I took a quick ride over to our local H dealer and noticed the new 2010 Veracruz as it struck me as a CC of the RX. $10K less has to mean something to someone out there! The Gen coupe is quite striking in my view.  Agree there is a long road ahead for Hyundai to compete with the true lux brands, however. They are a poor man's Lexus today!  Regards, OW
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Replying to: rockshocka1 (Nov 06, 2009 5:15 pm) I happened to be at the mall yesterday and got a chance to take a quick look at the Droid. I have to say I was less than blown away. It's smaller in person than it looks in pictures. I figured that the keyboard would be like the old HTC Touch Pro, but its even smaller than that and pretty much unusable. Too bad. At this point Sprint's Samsung Moment looks like the better phone. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:01 pm) That's a good rule to follow. These days it seems like everybody is struggling to get rid of bugs in the first year. I've started to hear of some QC issues on the 2010 E class already.
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm) Nicely put. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 08, 2009 9:15 am) Agree with Jimbres: stay off 1st model year. Lexus isn't only getting really bland, IMO, quality glitches are more and more apparent by the day. The only real good looking one IMO is the GS, and it doesn't really have a good reputation to talk about. I wonder what Toyota is thinking... maybe it caught MB's disease back in the 90s? Arrogance syndrome that is...  Acura, it made a huge mistake trying to get independent from Honda. And as the result we get the Darth Vader of luxury auto design. Give the TL an all-black color treatment and you get the idea  (not to mention it's gotten way too expensive for a TL with no actual improvement over the old one, save for the SH-AWD). If only Infiniti is willing to fix the lack of refinement in it's products, it'd be a serious contender in class. Start with better cabin and more sound insulation. That said, G coupe is attractive, although somewhat, uh, less muscular compared to the old one, seems like it's taking the sleek look route now... |
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Despite it's relatively decent sales, it's population is scarce in the Northwest. So I'm curious, where did all those sales go to? SE? SW?.... Personally while I've warmed up to Genesis' appeal, I still can't say Hyundai is ready to be in the luxury world. No it's not the brand, but the below standard customer service (luxury class standard that is) plus the product's not-exactly-luxurious trimmings still leave me unimpressed. Alas, this comment sparked a lot of controversy over at Hyundai thread. A Gen coupe, now that's a different story. It's the first Hyundai to make me look twice at it. One exception though, please dump the wing. 
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My 2000, A6 2.7T, 6sp(mt) has been fantastic, it has 125K and still runs like a top, no major problems since I bought it used, and I drive it the way it was meant to b driven. It's my 2nd audi,(first was a 98 A4, also great!). Honestly, audi has gotten an unfair rap ever since the 'unexplained excelleration' issue of the 80's. Audi certainly has stepped up the technology and design improvement into their vehicle more than any one else. As far as the German, Japanesse argument goes, you pay a little more, and risk a little more with the german cars, but they deliver superior vehicles for comfort and performance. I recently tested bmw 5, audi a6, infiniti's m45x, and the acura tl. I was looking to replace my 'old' a6 , preferable with a manuel tranny. While all vehicle were great drives, at the end of the day, none were convinvcing enough to warrant a replacing my baby. My audi needs new cats, but I will get a one year extension on my emission rejection and live to shop another day. I do think car manufactures are finally competeing again, and that given the economic situation, deals will still be had for the future. I came amazingly close to buying my dream car, at a steep discount as well: a Porsche Cayenne GTS with a manuel tranny, and Porsche's Dynamic Chassy Control. I decided to wait a year or two and maybe look for a Turbo S. I've seen 2006 TurboS's for half of thier original sticker, now that's a deal! This is a great forum, with truley insightful input, but layoff the phone topics, and forget about the hyundais.
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Replying to: borno (Nov 09, 2009 8:47 am) As for Hyundai, well, it's slowly creeping up to the luxury market, so like it or not it will occasionally be talked about. Anyways, back on topic: Audi's doing well, I agree, but I'm not impressed with it's current pricing and product options packaging policies. It's taking MB's old route, pack options that bloats the price plus keep raising the base price of the cars (while constantly stripping off the formerly standard features). These 2 problems make me think twice about getting an S5, because in the end I get the feeling that I can get a nicely loaded M3 for roughly the same dough. On another note, German cars are getting more and more reliable. I never consider German cars to be far less reliable than Japanese models since around 2000MY, customers need do only one thing: take a good care of the cars!!!! Do that, and the German cars will prove just as reliable as the Japanese cars. |
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Replying to: borno (Nov 09, 2009 8:47 am) You find similar stories on the Audiworld forums of people that have kept their cars for a very long time. Contrary to some opinion around here, some people do buy Audis, and keep them longer than 3 years. That said, and speaking as an Audi fan, the B5 and C5 A4 and A6 from the late '90s were not known as paragons of reliability. Some, if not all, of Audis low quality reputation from that era was deserved. I believe that Audi has truly turned a corner in the second half of this decade. Unfortunately, they will continue to be dogged by bad experiences from those cars, as well as the usual misinformation by some that Audis are just gussied up VWs. It takes a very long time to change perceptions in the auto industry. I recently tested bmw 5, audi a6, infiniti's m45x, and the acura tl. I was looking to replace my 'old' a6 , preferable with a manuel tranny. While all vehicle were great drives, at the end of the day, none were convinvcing enough to warrant a replacing my baby. Coming from an A6 2.7T with the MT, you really should check out the new S4. The '07 S6 is also starting to become affordable. It's not a car you can really toss into corners like the S4, but the V10 is intoxicating. |
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