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Thanks, but how does that work. by carguywannabe
Dec 15, 2005 (2:35 pm)
I too want to say thanks for the link to "how to calculate a lease". I followed it thru just fine, and thought it was well laid out.
 
But can anyone explain the one bit of logic that seemed flawed to me. That is, the formula divides the depreciation of the auto (difference between MSRP and Residual) into the number of payments. That's fine. Then you calculate the interest on the car. The formula says add the residual to the MSRP!!?? In other words, you not only pay interest on the car, but on the residual value? Hunh? That's interest on 150-160% of the car. How can that be?
 
Am I missing something in this logic?
 
Thanks for all the excellent information.
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Re: Thanks, but how does that work. [carguywannabe] by kyfdx HOST
Dec 15, 2005 (8:11 pm)

Replying to: carguywannabe (Dec 15, 2005 2:35 pm)

The monthly finance charge is a formula... You add the Cap Cost and the residual, because the intent is to get an "average" of these two figures... The balance financed is the cap cost at the beginning of the lease, and the residual at the end of the lease.. You don't have to divide by 2, to get the average.... that is taken care of by the money factor... The money factor is already halved to take that step out of the calculation...
 
I hope this makes sense..
 
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Re: Thanks, but how does that work. [kyfdx] by carguywannabe
Dec 15, 2005 (8:59 pm)

Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 15, 2005 8:11 pm)

Thanks kyfdx,
 
That does make sense. I guess should look at how the interest rate factors out to the money factor. Anyone have a formula for that. I mean, I read the "2400" figure, but I'd like to see the whole math, not just the "cheat" factor. Although it makes it simple.
 
Much appreciated for the reply.
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Re: Thanks, but how does that work. [kyfdx] by carguywannabe
Dec 15, 2005 (9:06 pm)

Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 15, 2005 8:11 pm)

Hi again, kyfdx,
 
Sorry to seem anal, but one more thing strikes me here. I get your average concept, being half of the sum of the residual plus the cap cost, but this also means you pay interest on the vehicle at msrp, even though you negotiated a better price. Doesn't it?
 
This seems to diminish the value of negotiating a lower price somewhat, not totally.
 
I haven't leased a car to date, but was considering it on a Lexus, so this conversation is much appreciated.
 
Thanks.
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Re: Thanks, but how does that work. [carguywannabe] by kyfdx HOST
Dec 15, 2005 (9:15 pm)

Replying to: carguywannabe (Dec 15, 2005 9:06 pm)

Nope... the formula isn't (MSRP + Residual), it is (Cap cost + Residual).. with the cap cost being your selling price plus any fees or taxes that are added into the price, minus any cap cost reductions..
 
So, you are only paying the finance charge on the actual price you pay..
 
I explain the 2400 this way...
 
The money factor is a fraction, while APR is expressed as a whole number.. multiply by 100
 
The money factor is for a monthly finance charge, while APR is annual.. multiply by 12
 
The money factor is half what it would normally be to account for the whole (Capcost + Residual) thing.. multiply by 2
 
100 X 12 X 2 = 2400
 
Or.. to make it possibly clearer (or not...lol) work your way backwards from an APR..
 
6% APR..
Divide by 100 to convert to a fraction = .06
 
Divide by 12 to convert annual to monthly = .005
 
Divide by 2, to convert (Capcost + Residual) to an average of the two numbers = .0025
 
6% divided by 2400 = .0025
 
Hope this helps...
kyfdx
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Re: Thanks, but how does that work. [kyfdx] by carguywannabe
Dec 16, 2005 (8:04 am)

Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 15, 2005 9:15 pm)

Thanks. That is quite understandable to me. You're good at explaining things.
 
So this help me a lot. As I say, I've never leased, but having a better understanding of it now, I'd say it costs the same as buying. Only it involves paying more interests as you're deferring paying for a bunch of the capital. Thus the balance isn't declining as fast.
 
And the trade off to paying more interest is an additional option (flexibility) at some point in the future where you have the choice to return the car.
 
To another poster's point, if you have something better to use your money for now, leasing can certainly make sense.
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March Lease Factors LS 430 by ribbonking
Mar 26, 2006 (3:04 pm)
Hello, Carman. I am looking for 36 month money factor and residuals for the Lexus LS 430, 15,000 miles / year. I am hoping that there are some good lease numbers on this car now that the new model is on the horizon.
 
Thank you.
 
Mike
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Lease numbers by acctprof
Apr 03, 2006 (7:05 am)
Hello, Carman. I am looking for 36 month money factor and residuals for the Lexus LS 430, 15,000 miles / year. I am hoping that there are some good lease numbers on this car now that the new model is on the horizon.
Thank you.
Mike

 
Me too. But I would take 48 months if that gives a much better payment.
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Re: March Lease Factors LS 430 [ribbonking] by Car_man HOST
Apr 11, 2006 (2:37 am)

Replying to: ribbonking (Mar 26, 2006 3:04 pm)

Hello Mike. If you were to lease a 2006 Lexus LS 430 through Lexus Financial Services right now for 36 months with 15,000 miles per year, its buy rate lease money factor and residual value should be .00156 and 51%, respectively. This is a pretty good money factor. It;s equivalent to an interest rate of around 3.75%.
 
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Re: Lease numbers [acctprof] by Car_man HOST
Apr 11, 2006 (2:39 am)

Replying to: acctprof (Apr 03, 2006 7:05 am)

Hey acctprof. The money factor for an otherwise identical 48 month lease would be the same, but the residual value would drop to 42%. A 4 year lease of this car should residual in a lower lease payment than a 3 year lease.
 
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