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Saturn VUE, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#27 of 84 Driving the GreenLine Again
May 16, 2008 (4:28 pm)
My wife siezed the 2007 Vue GreenLine last year by eminent domain because she likes to sit high. We just traded in our 2002 LW300 wagon for a 2008 Vue XR. My wife never got used to the brakes on the GreenLine, so she took the new XR and I got the GreenLine back. She only fills up every 2 weeks, regardless of vehicle. I have a 26 mile commute (round trip), high speed to bumper to bumper, nasty Philly roads and drivers.
We had a problem with the electrical harness, which was replaced under warranty. Not happy about that. Others have reported a variety of electrical problems, battery problems, etc. Not an insignificant issue when considering buying a GreenLine. Read the posts of customers with problems. BE AWARE!!!
I typically average about 25 mpg in the GreenLine. Observations:
1. This 2007 GreenLine is a mid-size SUV, not a compact car or a small SUV. Compare the mileage to other mid-size SUVs. The 2007 cost us less than the V6 XE model. The 2007 4 cylinder Vue was a weak mover, I test drove one. If you want a small 4 cylinder SUV, go get a Honda CRV.
2. You have to learn how to drive a hybrid. They have regenerative breaks to charge the battery, charge the battery when the car is coasting, have an engine shut-off, etc. If you are not willing to re-learn some driving habits, a hybrid (regardless of type) is probably not for you.
3. I characterize the Vue GL as a 4 cylinder plus vehicle. The acceleration is about the same as our old Chevy Malibu 6 cylinder. The 4 cylinder, with the added torque from the electric motor, is better than the 4 cylinder alone. This is not a V6 XR model, don't expect it to be.
4. HybridVue gives some very good advice, despite being somewhat neurotic about his mileage (how is that for a back-handed compliment). Charge the battery, discharge the battery. Learn to use "the coast", especially on down hill sections of the road, to charge the battery. Think ahead at intersections and use "the coast" to charge the battery. If you have a Lead Foot and like to hard accerate the Hybrid Vue is probabaly not for you. Lead Foots should get an XR. Accelerate at a reasonable pace/rpm.
5. You can do this without aggravating other drivers.
6. I typically use a gallon per day on my 26 mile commute with the Vue GL. This will go down to 23-24 during the summer when I use the air conditioner alot. I use it in the non-green mode (personal choice). I hate humidity. My mileage decreases a little, I don't whine about it.
7. My 2002 LW300 was using 3/4 of a tank for 5 days commuting, 8-9 gallons of gas. I now use about 5 gallons of gas for the 5 day commute. I have switched from a 6 cylinder station wagon to a 4 cylinder mid-size. I am saving $40-$50 per month in gas.
8. I have seen no posts on the 2008 GreenLine.
#28 of 84 Re: Driving the GreenLine Again [chmsomm]
May 29, 2008 (2:35 pm)
Reply to my own post.
I have been able to calculate mare accurately after a few tanks.
Averaging 27.8 mpg in the 2007 Vue GreenLine. 26 mile round trip commute 50-50 burb and highway driving and weekend suburban driving. Traffic in our burbs is typically moderate, sometimes heavy, rarely light.
With gas now $4/gallon, a year after the purchase, I am very satisfied to drive a mid-size SUV that gets this mileage. Due to rather horrendous injuries I sustained as a passenger in a compact car that was T-boned by a minivan this is a good solution (a larger/higher vehicle with good gas mileage).
#29 of 84 The MPGs Keep Rising.....
Jun 03, 2008 (5:10 am)
With the warmer temperatures and the Summer Blend of Gas - my Hybrid Vue keeps on performing.
18+ Months of ownership 46,090 Miles - 103 Fillups Lifetime Avg 32.129 mpg.
Even with Gas at $3.979 per gallon my gas costs are only ~12 cents per mile.
Saturn Hybrid Vue Records (for the 2007 Model) -
Best tank under 200 miles 37.7mpg Moms GL - Bob
Best Tank over 200 miles - 37.24mpg Saturn Hybrid Vue
Farthest on a single tank without running out of gas: 561.9 miles Saturn Hybrid Vue (I never overfill the tank.)
Most tanks in a row at 30mpg or better 31 Tanks Smokey John
Most tanks in a row at 32mpg or better 14 Tanks Saturn Hybrid Vue
Here are my detailed stats:
88 out of the 103 tanks have averaged over 30mpg.
54 out of the 103 tanks have averaged over 32mpg.
22 out of the 103 tanks have averaged over 34mpg.
4 out of the 103 tanks have averaged over 36mpg.
MPG since 3/1/2008 - 33.71 mpg over 8,120 miles.
Cold Weather MPG (November 1 - February 28) 30.73 mpg 15,555 Miles
Warm Weather MPG (March 1 - October 31) 32.89 mpg 30,570 Miles
As you can see these numbers are well over the EPA estimates. The technology is there with this Hybrid. However, it is also ones driving style that allows you to get the most out of this or any vehicle. Keep in mind - smooth accelerations and stops allow the battery to do what it is designed to do - Assist and Charge.
HybridVue gives some very good advice, despite being somewhat neurotic about his mileage (how is that for a back-handed compliment). Thanks for the compliment. I enjoy the statistical take and analyzing the numbers. However, my neurosis only effects my analyzing of data. If you were driving behind me or sitting as a passenger you would not notice any of my techniques just the smooth ride.
I love my Hybrid Vue.
#30 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [hybridvue]
Jun 05, 2008 (7:13 pm)
I do not have people honking and screaming obscenities at me, even in Philadelphia, while I am driving. Yes, it is possible to drive, get good gas mileage, and not aggravate other drivers.
It is somewhat amusing when I pass people and they read the "hybrid" on the side or back of the vehicle. That includes Prius drivers, of which there are a substantial number in our area, even though they are not equivalent vehicles. Prius' seem to be everywhere.
I noticed a 2008 Hybrid Vue on the lot at our local dealership.
Have you heard anything about the 2008s?
Has Saturn solved the sometimes very serious electical problems?
Not a trivial issue.
It is too bad Saturn Corporate was not proactive in handling and correcting the electical problems on the 2007s.
They may have killed a good concept.
#31 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [chmsomm]
Jun 06, 2008 (3:54 am)
Your mpg's are very solid - best wishes in the future.
As for the 2008 - I have yet to test drive it. When I go to the dealer for my $50 oil change and tire rotation - they never seem to have one. So far, the jury is out on the 2008. It has been plagued by similar battery issues that some of the 2007's had. As a result, production has been limited. I have yet to see one on the highways and my other web site www.greenhybrid.com has yet to have anyone reporting real world mpgs.
I will let you know if I get any first hand info about the 2008's. As for me - I am waiting for the Plug in Vue in 2010 that probably will not arrive until 2012. At that point I should have about 175,000 miles on my Vue and it would be time for an upgrade.
#32 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [hybridvue]
Jun 06, 2008 (4:49 am)
Is the new Hybrid Malibu basically the same driveline as the Vue? Hope not, or this may do the same for GM hybrids as GM did for diesel engines of many years ago.
#33 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [dmathews3]
Jun 06, 2008 (1:40 pm)
To my knowledge the 2008 Malibu, Vue, and Aura are all mild hybrids similar to the 2007 models.
I have seen no posts on the hybrid Malibu or Aura.
#34 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [hybridvue]
Jun 25, 2008 (10:23 am)
Hi ! I'm thinking about buying a 2009 hybrid vue in the fall. My concern is that I will be using AC from May until November (Tucson, AZ)and wondering how much the AC affects the MPG. Is the AC good? Your story sounds like you spent a lot of time compling the info. I'd appreciate any info you might give me.
#35 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [kenmaternick]
Jun 25, 2008 (5:26 pm)
I commute 26 miles round trip to work, bumper to bumper through expressway. My mileage has been between 27-28 mpg. That is without AC.
Observation: In my opinion the AC in the green "eco" mode is worthless. The engine shut off is significantly shortened. I find the on/off of the engine in that mode of AC is actually irritating.
Therefore I use the AC in the non-eco mode. There is no engine shutoff at traffic lights. I find my mileage goes down to 23- 24 mpg for my suburban driving/commute.
PS: I do carpool with colleague who has a Honda CRV starting 3 weeks ago. My Vue Hybrid with the AC on gets better gas mileage than his CRV with the AC on by 4-5 mpg. To maximize your mileage read the posts by HybridVue and myself about charging the battery using the charge/assist method. There are some tricks to maximizing your mileage. Also read the posts regarding the electrical harness and battery problems with the 2007 model, that may affect your purchase decision.
#36 of 84 Re: The MPGs Keep Rising..... [kenmaternick]
Jun 30, 2008 (10:42 am)
My Hybrid Vue is garaged at home and is in a covered garage at the office. That helps to keep the car cooler in the summer. However, I still need to use the A/C to cool the car and the driver especially when the outside temps are above 82 degrees.
I usually have the A/C turned on in the first setting in the green ECO mode. I find it usually does the job. However, we had a few days pushing 100 degrees and I had to turn it up to the second fan setting. I find it takes 2-4 mpgs off of my average. If you take the A/C out of ECO mode it probably will hit your mpgs more.
As an aside - my wife finally drove the Hybrid Vue and got aroung 30.8 mpg driving on Long Island with the A/C going 80% of the time over 180 miles. It took 47,500 miles before she had to drive it. (I was on a business trip.) I was worried about the mpgs but she did a great job. She calls the Vue the "Big Blue Kahuna." She drives a 2000 Toyota Camry. Her next car will be a Hybrid, but since she only has 115,000 miles on the current car so she will have to wait.