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#897 of 2830 Regression or Progression?
Jun 23, 2001 (7:58 am)
I've read most of the comments posted here as well as CR and other articles. I'm wondering why the 2001 Montero is the 3rd SUV to roll over and not previous Monteros. In my research I have discovered that Mitsubishi enhanced stability and handling characteristics on the 2001 vs previous models by:
1. a monocoque structure vs. body-on-frame construction (lowers center of gravity and improves rigidity)
2. Increased width by 4 inches
3. Decreased height by 1.7 inches
4. Increased wheelbase by 2.2 inches
5. 4 wheel independent suspension vs leaf springs in the rear (reduces unsprung weight at the corners of the vehicle)
I specialize in neuropharmacology not engineering, but even my understanding of physics 101 tells me that we should have heard something on this topic prior to last month had CR been consistent and accurate in their testing of previous models of Monteros.
What if I developed a new Alzheimer's medication that was clinically proven MORE effective and BETTER tolerated than the previous treatment only to be surprised when the FDA gives this new medication the 3rd worst rating of any drug ever tested based on its efficacy and tolerability even though it is an IMPROVEMENT over the former.
I've not seen this fact brought up by anyone on this board as well as any other source. Someone smarter than me (and that is 90% of you who read this) please explain this to me.
#898 of 2830 Knee-jerk reactions
Jun 23, 2001 (8:17 am)
jmatero, the thing that will most affect the resale value of your Monty is your desire to rapidly get rid of it and take a huge loss. The more people want to sell them, the lower the market value. I plan on keeping my Monty a long time.
I think you should look at the press information and video on www.motortrend.com .
I really do appreciate CR pointing out potential safety defects in my new SUV. But, I do not appreciate it when they base their conclusion on flawed, unscientific testing. The NHTSA even says that CR tests are not scientific and could have led to the rollover of almost any vehicle tested.
As far as CR being anti-SUV goes. They are. At least the SUV as we know it. They would have us driving car like SUV's. This is an attack on all truck-like SUV's by picking on one of the smaller manufacturers with a newly re-designed, award wining vehicle. Its just much easier to pick on the little guy.
All SUV owners should beware. There are many SUV haters out there that would like to have these vehicles declared not street legal.
#899 of 2830 Regression or progression
Jun 23, 2001 (9:00 am)
To play the devils advocate: all the things you listed are true and will increase stability, however, weight distribution is extremely important, and can potentially offset the other improvements--ie if the wieght distribution of the new Monte is higher, thereby raising its center of gravity, it could overcome the other things you noted.
I just scanned the NHTSA rollover resistance ratings--the Monte ltd isn't on there (yet), but for what its worth, the Montero sport only got 2 stars out of five (but then again, the best I saw for an SUV was 3 stars, on the 'burbs. Expos also got 2 stars. Didn't see that any toyota's had yet been tested--the list of tested vehicles is rather sparse at this point).
As I am taking all this in, my overall impression is that it is way too soon to call the Monte unsafe off of a single CR test, which, according to some of the links and the NHTSA, may not necessarily reflect how the vehicle performs in the real world. I am bummed out about what this will do to the Monte's depreciation; even if Mitsu is vindicated, all of us who own the Monte will still lose on resale value.
Rather than suing Mitsu, maybe we should be thinking of a class action suit agains CR (just kidding--I agree with Drew that any mention of lawsuits is premature; IMHO, we have become a much to litiginous society anyway....).
#900 of 2830 "Unscientific"
Jun 23, 2001 (9:42 am)
I am not sure what their definition of scientific would be.
Maybe there would need to be 100 Monteros tested instead of just 2.
The repeated tests did not cause a roll over in "almost any vehicle tested," only the Monteros out of all the vehicles tested recently.
Maybe it is not completely scientific since the second vehicle had to be accelerated to a whopping 39 MPH to flip like the first one did at 37.7 mph. Meanwhile some other SUVs managed the maneuver at over 50 MPH without rolling.
Whenever a manufacturer does not not like the NHTSA's own crash tests, the manufacturer attacks the test and says "in the real world" the vehicle performs well (Ford F-150, PT Cruiser etc.).
Maybe the NHTSA should crash 100 examples of each car they test into a wall before they assign a crash rating instead of relying on the results of one car.
Jun 23, 2001 (10:37 am)
The F150 4 door 4x2 just got double 5 star crash test ratings from the NHTSA, other F150s have received 4 stars or higher. So Ford has not attacked those results.
You are confusing the NHTSA crash tests with the insurance industry's IIHS offset test where one of the F-150 models performed very poorly.
It is a very confusing situation, the F-150s are the best full size pickup in on crash test (NHTSA full frontal) and the worst in the other (IIHS offset).
#902 of 2830 #845 rs roger just doesn't get it... by jmatero
Jun 23, 2001 (11:02 am)
Your statement ". Mitsubishi is not handling this well at all and THAT'S why owners are upset." I agree with totally!! Due to this "Cover Up" and it is a "Cover Up", I will continue to harass Mitsubishi until the results of CS are fully addressed. My last post on this board was much longer, but was censored, so I will be looking for another board (with less censorship) to discuss this HOT topic!!
Jun 23, 2001 (11:05 am)
Has anyone been tracking prices before and after the CR article?
Jun 23, 2001 (11:16 am)
Excellent question, onebrt464. I wonder how our Ph.D statisticians in the True Market Value department will handle this blip.
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#906 of 2830 more ramblings
Jun 23, 2001 (11:43 am)
s852: you are correct--the lexus did manage it at 50 mph, but you are comparing a car based SUV to a truck based SUV--not a valid comparison in my mind.
With regard to a "Mitsu" cover up: where in the link that Steve provided in post 846 is there a cover-up? Examine the post, and let us know what Mitsu should do differently. It seems to me they are doing the things they should be doing, although perhaps they could be a bit more vocal about it. It seems to me that some people have become the judge, jury and prosecutioner; I think its much too early for that--let's slow down a little bit and see how things play out. I was tremendously alarmed when all this started, but as more stuff comes out, it does not appear to be a slam dunk against the Montero.