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#1043 of 2830 ARB Winch Front Bumper for 2001 Monte on the way
Jul 11, 2001 (9:31 am)
Just got an e-mail about ARB Sahara line of bumpers from Overlander Outfitters website:
". . . Sahara bumpers provide the advantages of a winch bumper but with a
totally new look that blends in with the smooth lines of contemporary SUVs.
The Sahara can be installed with or without a winch . . . "
"Sahara Bumpers in development:
2001 Nissan Pathfinder
2001 Mitsubishi Montero"
Glad to see "real" heavy duty off-road (as opposed to "posuer") aftermarket stuff is becoming available.
2001 Montero stuff at:
Jul 11, 2001 (9:50 am)
Drew the article mentions Montero Sport and says nothing about Montero. I don't think they have plans to majorly redesign it yet.
#1045 of 2830 What are current Monte owners going to do?
Jul 11, 2001 (11:41 am)
I have read this board religiously since the CU report. I have a 2001 Monte we purchased for the arrival of our first son. Needless to say we were devastated with the CU report. Here is my concern. I received the video from Mitsu, which bashed the CU test. They say CU forced the rollover by comparing to a slalom run for a skier and keeping the straightest line possible. My take is the Monte had exceeded its handling limits, which is why it went out of line and rolled. At some point every vehicle exceeds it limit. Mitsu also shows their version of the maneuver, but they don't say how fast they were going? Hmm and by the way in their video the rt front still appears to lift a little.
The other issue they state is that CU had to try 16 times to finally get it to roll. Actually in the CU test they drive the truck through at progressively higher speeds to push it to the handling limit, which causes the roll. Monte did not roll in the first 8 or so runs at lower speeds, but when it hit its limit at the 37 or 39 depending on which run (white or red), it rolled 8 out of 9 times. This is misleading and causes me lots of concern that Mitsu will not address this issue and is pulling a firestone by waiting for people to die before they address.
Since I have a new baby boy I am weighing the %'s for his safety. The CU deal says the Monte is a bad bet if 3 Suv's out of 110+ have received unacceptable ratings. By the way, lets not lose sight that 5 of 6 other mid-sized SUV's passed the test. What I don't know and would like to, is at what speed did those vehicles hit their handling limit and roll.
The key question is what to do now? Do I sell now at the peak of negative pub? Probably not, unless I want to take the $27k my dealer offered me to get out. Do I wait a few months for the dust to settle and either sell it or see if Mitsu does a recall? If I do sell, what is a safer alternative for a guy who wants a good sized SUV? Is it a new Tahoe or used Navigator as I want to say around the same $32-$35 price point.
I am anxious to hear response.
Jul 11, 2001 (12:17 pm)
Thanks standaman. I obviously skipped past the first Sport in the "Montero Sport sport utility vehicle" sentence.
raddunn: Interesting points. In Consumer Reports latest issue, they also commented on Mitsubishi's press release and video footage and noted the fact that the Carr Engineering tests do not show the vehicle's behaviour when exceeding its handling limits. They also noted that based on their own video footage, Mitsubishi's animated re-creations of the C.R test was false.
Here is the entire report for those that are interested:
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#1047 of 2830 raddunn
Jul 11, 2001 (2:32 pm)
I personally am going to hang on to my Monte. It was number one in the crash tests; I think it probably is more prone to rollover than the other SUVs in its class, but many more people are killed in accidents rather than rollovers. And I seriously doubt that I will be in a position to rollover. I drive the speed limits in my neighborhood (25-30 MPH); at that speed I should safely be able to perform avoidance maneuvers. At highway speed, darn near anything would tip with THAT avoidance maneuver. Bottom line: drive an SUV like a truck, not a car--that's what it is.
Also, the CR report has to be taken as a part of the whole--not the whole in and of itself (Look at the NHTSA's feelings with regard to the CR response, for example). As with anything, I use CR to ADD to my decision making, but I would never make any decision soley on a CR report (Yes, I do subscribe). CR has had its share of problems in the past as well, and their ratings aren't alway accurate (there is a web site specifically dedicated to this called consumer distorts).
I am not entirely thrilled with Mistu's response either. Mitsu is not going to recall it--don't even bother waiting for that. I personally would not sell for at least six months; let the dust settle some. 27,000 at this point is a joke--that's why your dealer offered it to you--he's in it to make money, and I am sure he will at that price.
#1048 of 2830 Sell Sell Sell!!!!
Jul 11, 2001 (3:11 pm)
To Raddun...kidding.. I drive a 99 Trooper Ltd and was thinking about trading for a 2001 Monty, but I tell you what...I'm really thinking twice about that now. Disregarding the resale value issues, that video at Consumer Reports is PRETTY scary...what I gleaned from reading their commentary was that most of the other SUV's, when THEY reached their handling limit, skidded instead of tipped...perhaps if we just put crappy tires on the Monty it will just slide instead of gripping and tipping.. I would say that based on that video I'm now looking at the Isuzu Axiom. I still love the Montero, but I'm going to wait and see what else comes of this whole mess. By the way I did watch Mitsubishi's videos as well, but the image of that Montero in the Consumer Reports testing VIOLENTLY tipping onto the outriggers is hard to get out of my mind..
Jul 11, 2001 (3:12 pm)
RIGHT ON! Agree with you. Can we all get past this now.
ALL SUV'S WILL ROLL AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS!
As for normal everyday driving the Montero suspension is wonderful and I'm not so sure anything hasty needs to be done.
Personally, I think that increasing the swaybar size and/or adding polyurethane bushings would be all thats needed. This would take out 90% of any "excess roll" and would force more of a sliding then rolling (having enjoyed modifing suspensions for handling for years). Adding stiffer spings should only be done for extreme racing or load carrying or it will compromise ride quality and make the SUV ride like a 3/4 ton truck.
I dont think there is a big design flaw here. There may have been a decision in going to independent suspension (which is better overall) that traded some antiroll properties but all off road accounts rate the Montero very high and it is in these situations where you are usually worried about rolling over.
So, if you want to handle better at the expense of a little ride quality increase the swaybar size/stiffness and add urethane bushings if need be but dont get all worked up as if there is some big problem here.
Jul 11, 2001 (3:17 pm)
Ageed that society is too quick to sue. Just look at this report here and you will find a generalized over reaction to a single report. It could be the beginning of something but the reaction that some are having to this report seems to be out of context given the numerous other short and long term tests of the Montero which are generally very good. Also, it is interesting that some are feeling biased to Mitsubishi's response to the claims.
As for whether stating that the VSC or any other system is capable of preventing roll overs I would think that if the design was intended to reduce accidents in some way that they could prove they would at least say something to the effect that this system "can reduce the chance of..." but that "this is no substitute for safe driving". etc. etc.
Jul 11, 2001 (3:20 pm)
Remember guys and gals some of the SUV's supposedly couldnt even make it back in through the cones, ie. they went head on into the approaching traffic.
Where is the concern about this?
Jul 11, 2001 (3:23 pm)
I looked at the MB. It sure drove nice in the sense of a car like feel. I'm sure it probably handles real nice at higher speeds than the Montero could handle on road. I think the BMW might be the only thing in front of you, the rest of use will most likely be in your rear view mirror